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**Official** South Africa in England 2012

Uppercut

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Kylez said:
When exactly did Strauss's decline in form begin? I know it's been going on for a while now, but did it start when he retired from ODI cricket? IIRC, Strauss was doing pretty well in ODI's before he retired. This makes me think that Strauss is one of those players that constantly has to be batting to keep up form and touch, and maybe his ODI retirement has contributed to his loss of form as he isn't batting as much in real games anymore.

Just a thought.
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His conversion rate took a hammering when he got the captaincy. Other than that I don't think he's declined much since his recall in 2008. In fact it was very similar to this summer- runs against a fairly weak side touring in May before getting owned by Morkel and co. in July and August.

His weaknesses have become very high-profile though. In '09 Australia stayed over the wicket to him the entire time and he punished them. Can't see them making that mistake again this time next year.
 
Scaly piscine

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It's not just the batting but the slip fielding. He used to be a very good in the slips, he's completely missed the ball a few times in the past 18 months or so, as well as dropping other chances as well obviously.

Sadsack not contributing much for his temporary new club.
 
BoyBrumby

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vic_orthdox said:
I was thinking of him with future series in mind, but not sure that he'll get picked unless there are some injuries.
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Made a decent impression up here for France, by all accounts.

Won't help him if he stinks out his domestic season tho, obvz.

Meanwhile Mike Selvey in The Guardian thinks Strauss is still the best man for the job, but how things go in India will determine whether he'll be in charge come the Ashes double.
 
Prince EWS

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BoyBrumby said:
Made a decent impression up here for France, by all accounts.

Won't help him if he stinks out his domestic season tho, obvz.

Meanwhile Mike Selvey in The Guardian thinks Strauss is still the best man for the job, but how things go in India will determine whether he'll be in charge come the Ashes double.
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I hate it when England and Australia obsess over the Ashes, but seriously I don't think England could plan it all any worse than sacking their captain (or having him resign) right before back to back Ashes series. If they're still 50/50 about whether he'll be leading the team for the Ashes in England they should give him the arse right now.
 
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BoyBrumby

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Prince EWS said:
I hate it when England and Australia obsess over the Ashes, but seriously I don't think England could plan it all any worse than sacking their captain (or having him resign) right before back to bash Ashes series. If they're still 50/50 about whether he'll be leading the team for the Ashes in England they should give him the arse right now.
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Is that a typo or a new euphemism for an attractive & ****able arse? "Man, she's got a back to bash". :laughing:

Seriously tho, I'm of the opinion Strauss should go now. He's 35, struggling and, whilst one respects him for what he's achieved as captain, he's hardly Douglas Jardine. Or even Michael Vaughan, if it comes to that.

He's been a safe pair of hands and I think Cook would be that too.
 
MW1304

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Man Housego's had a blinder. Only his 6th game and he's hit pretty close to an international standard OD bowling lineup around the park. Really happy for him. Middlesex seemed to have him down as a FC specialist but he's proving that very wrong this year.

Edit: And he did it on his own. Nice one.
 
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MW1304

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Glos just have a lot of allrounders I think. And I'd guess he has regressed on the batting front a bit, yeah.
 
Scaly piscine

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Sadsack taken a couple of quick wickets then, South Africa in a bit of trouble here - well seeing as they only picked 4 batsmen (if you include Ontong) and they're all out.
 
NasserFan207

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Scaly piscine said:
Sadsack taken a couple of quick wickets then, South Africa in a bit of trouble here - well seeing as they only picked 4 batsmen (if you include Ontong) and they're all out.
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Parnell has turned himself into a genuine allrounder these days, gone the Franklin route. Pretty useful batsman.
 
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Uppercut said:
His conversion rate took a hammering when he got the captaincy. Other than that I don't think he's declined much since his recall in 2008. In fact it was very similar to this summer- runs against a fairly weak side touring in May before getting owned by Morkel and co. in July and August.

His weaknesses have become very high-profile though. In '09 Australia stayed over the wicket to him the entire time and he punished them. Can't see them making that mistake again this time next year.
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There is actually an argument to be made that Strauss is simply a middle of the road test batsman whose record is padded by his stellar first 12 months

All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

86 tests is a bloody big sample size

He has also cashed in against the poorer test attacks with Bangladesh, India New Zealand and West Indies being the only teams that he averages more than 40 against

All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
 
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Salamuddin said:
I don't think England's attack is as good as people made it out to be.
If you look at the first class records of guys like Bresnan and Swann vis a vis their test records , they have clearly overacghieved at test level and it was obvious there was going to be a regression to the mean at some point.

I'm not suprised Swann in particular failed this series. He's only ever really performed against the weaker batting teams in world cricket - his record against Australia, India and South Africa is quite ordinary. He's yet to have a single series against any of those teams where he's averaged under 30. Considering he's rated so much better than Harbhajan who averaged under 30 against Oz and Rsa in several series, you would think Swann would have cleared that benchmark quite easily. .


As for Anderson - yeah he's a good bowler in the right conditrions but to suggest he's anywhere in Steyn's class is stretching it massively.

I think the comment by Saker likening this attack to AUstralia at their prime gave people an over inflated view of England's bowling capability. That Aussie attack had 2 ATG's, one very good bowler in Gillespie and another decent in Kasper.
England at best have one very good in Anderson and the rest at average to decent.
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rated wrong then. Singh has been mediocre of late but in the 2001-2006 period he was brilliant averaging 27. Singh has 400+ wickets at an avg of 32.
Swann will retire with 35+ avg.
 
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