Australian off season domestic 2012/13

[bondi beach]

Lee should have a contract ahead of Doherty. Lee plays a bigger role in ODIs and T20s and with Lee now retired from Tests they are equal in their chances of playing Tests.

Doherty deserves his contract as would have Lee. Haddin (441 @ 18), Johnson (27w @ 35) and Starc (15w @ 35) are lucky to get theirs. Cummins although only having taken 17 wickets look a fantastic prospect whose workload needs to be carefully managed and therefore to centrally contract him makes perfect sense.

Australian performances over the last twelve months:

Batsmen (Qualifciation: 700+ runs)

Clarke 1,999 runs @ 59 HS 329* 6 100s, 6 50s
M Hussey 1,714 @ 41 HS 150* 3/8
Warner 1,520 @ 37 HS 180 4/6
Ponting 1,281 @ 38 HS 221 2/9
Watson 1,083 @ 29 HS 88 0/10
D Hussey 732 @ 32 HS 74 0/6
Wade 717 @ 29 HS 106* 1/4 35 ct / 5 st

No other batsman managed more than 458 runs.

Bowlers (Qualification: 30 wickets)

Hilfenhaus 47 wickets @ 20 BB 5-33 3 5wI
Siddle 43 @ 24 BB 5-49 1 5wI
Lyon 43 @ 29 BB 5-34 2 5wI
Watson 41 @ 24 BB 5-17 1 5wI
Lee 38 @ 24 BB 4-15
Pattinson 36 @ 22 BB 5-27 2 5wI
Doherty 34 @ 32 BB 4-28
Harris 30 @ 26 BB 5-62 1 5wI

 

[NUFAN]

Yeah I saw your stats the other day and they are annoying to read.

Combining the three formats make some averages deceptive and having a high qualification to prove why Haddin, Johnson and Starc are lucky does not make sense as the first two were injured for large parts and Starc has been in and around the setup all summer.

Now, I don't mind if you think none of the 3 are in Australia's top 17, but I wouldn't be basing it just on the past 12 months combined format stats..

 

[bondi beach]

Yeah I saw your stats the other day and they are annoying to read.

Combining the three formats make some averages deceptive and having a high qualification to prove why Haddin, Johnson and Starc are lucky does not make sense as the first two were injured for large parts and Starc has been in and around the setup all summer.

Now, I don't mind if you think none of the 3 are in Australia's top 17, but I wouldn't be basing it just on the past 12 months combined format stats..

Even when they did play they weren't very good! I wouldn't put them in the top 17 and I also believe 17 contracts is too many. I would have named 15 and excluded those three but included Lee. However I understand those who question the inclusion of Doherty, D Hussey and Lee who are unlikely to make the test team but if that was the case I would have had 12 and added further players subject to performance.

 

[Andre]

Even when they did play they weren't very good! I wouldn't put them in the top 17 and I also believe 17 contracts is too many. I would have named 15 and excluded those three but included Lee. However I understand those who question the inclusion of Doherty, D Hussey and Lee who are unlikely to make the test team but if that was the case I would have had 12 and added further players subject to performance.

Yes but don't forget it is not a ranking of the 17 best cricketers in Australia - its is the 17 most likely to represent in all forms, with a significant weighting towards Tests. As Lee has retired from Tests he would have received no ranking at all in that format, whereas a Doherty may have got a very low ranking but still has a ranking per se ahead of Lee in that format.

Just needs to be remembered it is on a weighting system of how likely people are to represent in the next 12 months over combined formats - not how good people or the selectors think certain players are. A lot of people lose sight of that and get caught up with their own (in some cases very boring) opinions and views.

 

[bondi beach]

If it is based on those likely to play tests then why have Doherty and D Hussey been selected? Form wise why have Haddin, Johnson and Starc been selected?

 

[uvelocity]

poor clarkey

 

[Andre]

If it is based on those likely to play tests then why have Doherty and D Hussey been selected? Form wise why have Haddin, Johnson and Starc been selected?

It's not based only on Tests - it is done with a weighting formula of all 3 forms of the game, with Tests being the most heavially weighted. Thus meaning that people like D Hussey and Doherty would have received some sort of Test ranking which would have pushed them in to the top 17.

I think you'll be suprised how close D Hussey is to Test cricket - the selectors have said as much this week.

Haddin is still the no. 1 keeper, Johnson is still an important limited overs player at worst and I don't really follow on the Starc comment, he's done what has been asked of him in his career to date.

 

[uvelocity]

haddin's gone imo

 

[morgieb]

If they're gonna give more weighting to tests though, why wasn't Cowan picked?

 

[Andre]

If they're gonna give more weighting to tests though, why wasn't Cowan picked?

Cause he's not in the frame for the other forms. He'd have been right down on the list for them and he's not exactly at the top of the Test list, probably 11th or 12th at best so wouldnt have enough points to be in the top 17. Surely it isn't that hard to understand how it works, is it?

 

[NUFAN]

Well it is a little bit difficult to work out as we don't know how many players get points in each format.

Earlier you said that Doherty would receive some sort of Test ranking, is that 100% correct? I mean who's to say that they only give out points for the top 17 players in each format or top 20 in which case Doherty would or should score 0.

Also, Doherty would only be around 9-14th in the two short formats and with Tests having the most weighting you would think the 10th to 12th best Test player would be valued above a player ranked around 10th in both ODI and T20 given that to qualify for a ranking you need 12 points, Tests x 5, ODI x 2, T20 x 1

 

[Andre]

Well it is a little bit difficult to work out as we don't know how many players get points in each format.

Earlier you said that Doherty would receive some sort of Test ranking, is that 100% correct? I mean who's to say that they only give out points for the top 17 players in each format or top 20 in which case Doherty would or should score 0.

Also, Doherty would only be around 9-14th in the two short formats and with Tests having the most weighting you would think the 10th to 12th best Test player would be valued above a player ranked around 10th in both ODI and T20 given that to qualify for a ranking you need 12 points, Tests x 5, ODI x 2, T20 x 1

My understanding is that the pools are nominated from all available players in each format. Lee has retired from longer stuff so automatically would receive zero. Doherty is realistically 3rd or 4th choice spinner in the longer form you'd say, so even if this gets him say 1 or 2 points when scaled it would become a 4 or 5 or the like.

Obviously I can't explain because I'm not privy to the exact formula but you can see how they come to their decisions using it.

 

[uvelocity]

9 bowlers 5 bats 2 keepers and an all rounder isnt much of a balance just quietly

 

[Jnr.]

haddin's gone imo

According to the great Peter Lalor @plalor - Haddin had a two year contract.

 

[uvelocity]

not surprising. beyond stupid though.

not that he wouldn't still have been first choice now (maybe) and it's very sad what's happened, but the state of play is that wadey is now our keeper.

 

[Jnr.]

not surprising. beyond stupid though.

not that he wouldn't still have been first choice now (maybe) and it's very sad what's happened, but the state of play is that wadey is now our keeper.

I agree. Wade first choice in at least the limited-overs format.... until he improves his keeping.

 

[benchmark00]

Wadey can suck a fat one #teambrad

 

[Ruckus]

Does anyone buy this

(Inverarity on Johnson):

"We know how well he can bowl. That Test match against England in Perth when he got his action just right. It is in there somewhere"

Would seem a pretty big coincidence to me that Johnson's best performance against England just happened to be at the WACA where he easily has had the most success in the past.

 

[Spikey]

I'm yet to be convinced Mitchell Johnson knows how to bowl, or indeed use the toilet

not surprising. beyond stupid though..

I think it's very surprising that such a contract got handed out, actually. I know personally this time last year, I was thinking that it'd be Haddin's last season, 'cause this time now seemed a good time to start bleeding a new keeper. Gilly left a year after the WC/Ashes and I just figured Haddin leaving/being sacked at a similar time made sense. Very bad planning, but then I guess...Surprised Smitteh wasn't on a 4 year deal...

 

[uvelocity]

#surprisedspikeyreadsmypostsandreplied

no I mean unsurprising as hildunce proved how stoopid he was yet again.

I mean aside from knowing if hilf or siddle were on a 2 year deal, only north could have been more of a stupid pick. thank **** he wasn't.