The ATG World XI's game

[Noble One]

Still one team to go, though.

Any reason for this to stop? The popularity of this thread remains very strong and the teams are becoming very interesting.

 

[Dan]

Swann I assume? And no, obviously there haven't been any genuine ATG bowlers from SL and Bangladesh, but I thought Zaheer and Srinath might have featured somewhere. Still one team to go, though.

Murali says hi

Why stop now, even if we only sim with 16, making some sides could be incredibly interesting. I'll run a couple, if need be.

 

[Jager]

Any reason for this to stop? The popularity of this thread remains very strong and the teams are becoming very interesting.

Yeah, I am more than happy to keep it going actually. We've been getting 15+ votes per poll quite often recently, so people are definitely involved. We might start to need some suggestions from everyone to maintain a decent standard of shortlists, but the idea of having a World Z XI amuses me a lot. I'd assume we would still use the top 16 teams for the sim tournament, though.

 

[Jager]

Murali says hi

Why stop now, even if we only sim with 16, making some sides could be incredibly interesting. I'll run a couple, if need be.

Whoops, *pace bowlers
And sure, Nuf's doing the World O XI and I'm sure he'd be happy for you to run a few.

 

[NUFAN]

I don't mind if we continue to do this, it is fun and the first thing I look at each day I log into the site. Rvd you can certainly run a few if you like, I will do the next one though.

Marc, are you still keen to run the sim? We could always run one with the first 16 teams and then have a season 2 if we get to 32 teams or something.

I'm guessing some people on here will enjoy naming the teams, while others might prefer the SIM.

Initially I thought 16 teams in the same format as Euro's, but how do we sort the groups? I was thinking:
Group 1 World
Group 2 World A
Group 3 World B
Group 4 World C

Then a random generator or something to work out teams 5-8, 9-12, 13-16.

In the group phase each team could play each other in two test series with the top 2 teams progressing. Then in the quarters and semis we have three test series and finally in the final a 5 test series. Would be fun..

Also Jager, yeah Swann and are you ready to call this round?

 

[NUFAN]

Also Statsguru seems to say that there has been 2677 Test Cricketers, so we could potentially name 243 teams, haha. Of course they wouldn't be balanced or anything and by the time we got that far there would probably be a few more teams available.

 

[weldone]

Yeah keep this going beyond 16 teams IMO.

20 or 24 maybe the correct number. 24 teams - 8 groups of 3 each - then pre-quarters etc ... how does that sound?

 

[Jager]

Good formats, I'll generate the numbers now and wrap it up, too. Tell me if you're happy with the groups, I used RANDOM.ORG - True Random Number Service to generate the numbers which I assigned to each team.

Group 1
World XI
World F XI
World M XI
World K XI

Group 2
World A XI
World D XI
World O XI
World G XI

Group 3
World B XI
World L XI
World I XI
World E XI

Group 4
World C XI
World N XI
World J XI
World H XI

 

[NUFAN]

Man you are keen. I like the adog group

I was thinking one team out of world to c in each group, one team from d to g in each group, one team h to k and then l to o but realistically its not a huge deal at all, World C seems to have the easy passage.

I don't mind weldone, I just thought initially 16 teams and we could run in at a similar time to the Euros which actually start tonight. Not a big deal if we continue on, I suggest it will take a while for the person simming to get organised.

We'll see what the consensus is during the next round of voting

 

[Jager]

Man you are keen. I like the adog group

I was thinking one team out of world to c in each group, one team from d to g in each group, one team h to k and then l to o but realistically its not a huge deal at all, World C seems to have the easy passage.

I just try and get things done straight away :P I think we should just assign every team to a random group though, if we had some sort of 'group of death' like Euro's group B, it would be really interesting, and it's unlikely regardless.

Anyway, votes are in...

I had to make the call between Slater, Langer and Cook. Personally, Cook and Langer were the more accomplished players whereas Slater's huge talents never really formed into the results he could have achieved. Combining the last two sees Noble and Waugh as our 6 and 7, whereas doing the groups individually sees Gregory and Waugh. I had stated before that I would be combining them, so I'll stick by that unless there's some sort of huge uproar. I think Noble was a far more versatile bowler because he bowled medium pace as well as orthodox spin, so we now have a whole mix of bowlers (Waugh can bowl mediums and off spin too).

Cook: 6
Slater: 6
Washbrook: 1
Langer: 6
Turner: 3
M Taylor: 3
Edrich: 3
Mclaren: 1
H Taylor: 3
Dempster: 1

Streak: 1
Gregory: 4
Mankad: 2
Alderman: 1
Anderson: 2
Constantine: 1
Noble: 2
Shakib: 1
McDermott: 1
Ntini: 1
Vaas: 1
+
Waugh: 5
Woolley: 2
McMillan: 1
De Silva: 1
Noble: 3
Khan: 2
Ganguly: 1
Jardine: 1
Gregory: 1

 

[Jager]

World N XI
1. Alistair Cook
2. Justin Langer
3. Zaheer Abbas
4. Graham Thorpe
5. Michael Clarke
6. Mark Waugh
7. Monty Noble
8. Graeme Swann
9. Jack Blackham+
10. Jack Cowie
11. Bill Johnston

Teams compiled so far

World XI (1)
1. J Hobbs 2. L Hutton 3. D Bradman 4. V Richards 5. S Tendulkar 6. G Sobers 7. A Gilchrist+ 8. I Khan 9 S. Warne 10. M Marshall 11. G McGrath

World A XI (2)
1. S Gavaskar 2. H Sutcliffe 3. G Headley 4. B Lara 5. W Hammond 6. J Kallis 7. A Knott+ 8. R Hadlee 9. W Akram 10. C Ambrose 11. M Muralitharan

World B XI (3)
1. B Richards 2. V Trumper 3. G Chappell 4. G Pollock 5. A Border 6. K Miller 7. L Ames+ 8. D Lillee 9. F Trueman 10. B O'Reilly 11. S Barnes

World C XI (4)
1. G Boycott 2. W.G Grace 3. R Ponting 4. K Barrington 5. S Waugh 6. C Walcott+ 7. I Botham 8. A Davidson 9. M Holding 10. J Laker 11. A Donald

World D XI (5)
1. G Greenidge 2. M Hayden 3. R Dravid 4. D Compton 5. E Weekes 6. F Worrell 7. D Lindsay+ 8. S Pollock 9. R Lindwall 10. J Garner 11. C Grimmett

World E XI (6)
1. G Gooch 2. A Morris 3. N Harvey 4. J Miandad 5. D Nourse 6. A Flower+ 7. M Procter 8. R Benaud 9. D Steyn 10. A Roberts 11. W Younis

World F XI (7)
1. B Mitchell 2. B Simpson 3. K Sangakkara 4. K Ranjitsinhji 5. C Macartney 6. C Lloyd 7. K Dev 8. D Tallon+ 9. H Verity 10. H Larwood 11. C Walsh

World G XI (8)
1. V Merchant 2. H Mohammad 3. S McCabe 4. K Pietersen 5. S Chanderpaul 6. A Faulkner 7. F Engineer+ 8. H Tayfield 9. A Bedser 10. I Bishop 11. C Croft

World H XI (9)
1. G Smith 2. V Sehwag 3. R Kanhai 4. M Crowe 5. Inzamam ul-Haq 6. D Walters 7. I Healy+ 8. M Tate 9. A Kumble 10. W Hall 11. J Snow

World I XI (10)
1. W Ponsford 2. W Lawry 3. T Dexter 4. P May 5. D Gower 6. A Greig 7. J Dujon+ 8. P Pollock 9. C Turner 10. B Statham 11. L Gibbs

World J XI (11)
1. T Goddard 2. E Barlow 3. I Chappell 4. E Paynter 5. AB de Villiers 6. VVS Laxman 7. J Waite+ 8. G Lohmann 9. D Underwood 10. F Tyson 11. Neil Adcock

World K XI (12)
1. D Haynes 2. B Woodfull 3. C Hill 4. M Jayawardene 5. A Jackson 6. A Stewart+ 7. C Cairns 8. A Flintoff 9. W Rhodes 10. F Mahmood 11. B Willis

World L XI (13)
1. S Anwar 2. C Hunte 3. R Richardson 4. L Hassett 5. C Cowdrey 6. W Armstrong 7. R Marsh+ 8. J Wardle 9. S Bond 10. J Thomson 11. T Richardson

World M XI (14)
1. G Kirsten 2. R Fredericks 3. D Boon 4. M Yousuf 5. V Hazare 6. S Jackson 7. G Evans+ 8. J Briggs 9. J Gillespie 10. F Spofforth 11. S Akhtar

World N XI (15)
1. A Cook 2. J Langer 3. Z Abbas 4. G Thorpe 5. M Clarke 6. M Waugh 7. M Noble 8. G Swann 9. J Blackham+ 10. J Cowie 11. B Johnston

 

[marc71178]

I think it can go up to 24 (assuming the database which someone was supposed to be acquiring for me from PEWS or whoever has all the players included that is!)

 

[Jager]

I think it can go up to 24 (assuming the database which someone was supposed to be acquiring for me from PEWS or whoever has all the players included that is!)

Are you just after their overall career standardised averages, or is there more that you want/need?

 

[Dan]

Some suggestions for inclusions:

Pace Bowlers:
Bart King, Bob Appleyard, Amar Singh, Harry Boyle, Eddie Gilbert, Ted McDonald, Ernie McCormick, Neil Hawke, Alan Connelly, Max Walker, Paul Reiffel, Brett Lee, Stuart Clark, Mohammad Nissar, Irfan Pathan, Johnny Sinclair, Peter Heine, Peter Pollock, Lasith Malinga, Sarfraz Nawaz, Charlie Griffith, Dick Motz, Lance Cairns, Simon Doull.

Spin Bowlers:
George Giffen, Bert Ironmonger, Arthur Mailey, Ian Johnson, Jack Iverson, Lindsay Kline, Bert Vogler, Reggie Schwarz, Rangana Herath, Pervez Sajjad, Iqbal Qasim, Mushtaq Ahmed.

Batsmen/All Rounders:
Jack Ryder, Herbie Collins, Reggie Duff, Johnny Mullagh, Stan McCabe, Jack Fingleton, Ken Mackay, Raman Subba-Row, Brian Booth, Bob Cowper, Graham Yallop, Kim Hughes, Kepler Wessels, Greg Matthews, Darren Lehmann, Andrew Symonds, Lala Amarnath, Dattu Phadkar, Polly Umrigar, Vijay Manjrekar, Mansoor Ali Khan Pataudi, Dilip Vengsarkar, Vinod Kambli, Pieter van de Bilj, Peter Kirsten, Brian McMillan, Arjuna Ranatunga, Hashan Tillakaratne, Saeed Ahmed, Asif Iqbal, Misbah-ul-Haq, Intikhab Alam, Lawrence Rowe, Basil Butcher, Seymour Nurse, Charlie Davis, Gerry Gomez, Murray Goodwin, Martin Donnelly, Bert Sutcliffe, John R Reid, John F Reid, John Wright, Jacob Oram, Bruce Taylor.

Opening Batsmen:
Warren Bardsley, Bill Brown, Colin McDonald, Simon Katich, Phil Jaques, Pankaj Roy, Navjot Singh Sidhu, Alan Melville, Jimmy Cook, Marvan Atapattu, Majid Khan, Mohsin Khan, Mudassar Nazar, Chris Gayle, Jeff Stollmeyer.

Wicketkeepers:
Jock Cameron, Hashan Tillakaratne (?), Deryck Murray, David Houghton.


Its basically a list of players with batting averages above about 38 over a decent period of time, and bowlers with over 50 wickets at under 33-ish. Couldn't bear to go through the English list. 600 players is way to many to trawl through.

Discard as many as you would like.

EDIT: Added some New Zealanders.

 

[NUFAN]

Thanks rvd, I'll add most of them. That Team N team is interesting. I like the middle order, but don't particularly like the bowling combo.

 

[Jager]

I think it's actually a pretty great team, would be more suited to pre-WWII cricket, I'd imagine. By the way, the World O team is yours to start whenever

 

[NUFAN]

World O XI time.

1 - Select two openers
2 - Select batsman for the number 3 and 4 slots
3 - Select a spinner

Suggested openers
Dennis Amiss, Marvan Atapattu, Michael Atherton, Charles Bannerman, Warren Bardsley, Sid Barnes, Bill Brown, Jimmy Cook, Stewie Dempster, John Edrich, Gautam Gambhir, Chris Gayle, Herschelle Gibbs, Sanath Jayasuriya, Simon Katich, Majid Khan, Colin McDonald, Jackie McGlew, Archie McLaren, Alan Melville, Mudassar Nazar, Mark Richardson, Pankaj Roy, Michael Slater, Navjot Sidhu, Michael Slater, Jeff Stollmeyer, Andrew Strauss, Herbie Taylor, Mark Taylor, Marcus Trescothick, Glenn Turner, Michael Vaughan, Cyril Washbrook

Suggested batsman for 3-4
Mohinder Amarnath, Hashim Amla, Mohammad Azharuddin, Ian Bell, Colin Bland, Daryl Cullinan, Charlie Davis, Aravinda de Silva, Kumar Duleepsinhji, Sourav Ganguly, Tom Graveney, Michael Hussey, Douglas Jardine, Alvin Kallicharan, Younus Khan, Maurice Leyland, Saleem Malik, Damien Martyn, Mushtaq Mohammad, Seymour Nourse, Norman O'Neill, Lawrence Rowe, Thilan Samaraweera, Arthur Shrewsbury, Robin Smith, Raman Subba Row, Herbie Taylor, Polly Umrigar, Dilip Vengsarkar, Gundappa Viswanath, Frank Woolley

Suggested Spinners
Mushtaq Ahmed, Saeed Ajmal, Shakib Al-Hasan, Bishan Bedi, Charlie Blythe, Bhajwath Chandrasekhar, George Giffen, Subhash Gupte, Regana Herath, Bert Ironmonger, Jack Iverson, Ian Johnson, Lindsay Kline, Tony Lock, Stuart MacGill, Arthur Mailey, Vinoo Mankad, Saqlain Mushtaq, Bobby Peel, Erapalli Prasanna, Abdul Qadir, Iqbal Qasim, Sonny Ramadhin, Pervez Sajjad, Reggie Schwarz, Harbajhan Singh, Hugh Trumble, Alf Valentine, Daniel Vettori, Bert Vogler,

 

[Noble One]

Michael Slater
Marcus Trescothick

Younus Khan
Damien Martyn

Tony Lock

 

[NUFAN]

I think it's actually a pretty great team, would be more suited to pre-WWII cricket, I'd imagine. By the way, the World O team is yours to start whenever

I have a few doubts on the teams ability to take 20 wickets. Perhaps from now on, all the teams will struggle though to take 20 wickets against better opposition.

The selection of Blackham probably meant that we picked a bowler or two based on batting ability rather than the best wicket taker. Waugh might have squeezed in too for his all roundness. All good though, just saying, I love the middle order, Thorpe is probably my favourite England batsman of the last 20 years.

 

[Jager]

1-2
Sid Barnes- one half of the second greatest opening partnership ever
Chris Gayle- attack and two triple centuries

3-4
Douglas Jardine- I'm going to vote for him every chance I get because it's ridiculous he hasn't made it in a team yet.
Norman O'Neill- forgotten, yet was an absolute gun. Maybe rated less than he deserves because his form tailed off, but still an excellent record and rated exceedingly highly by his peers.

Spin
Hugh Trumble- the best spin option here apart from perhaps Lock, but Trumble was good enough to open in tests so his batting is the only thing that separates the two.