Why can't India produce great fast bowlers like Pakistan?

[unam]

Yeah, I would agree to that Outswinger. It's difficult to contribute it to race because India has also produced pace bowlers who aren't Punjabis/Pushtoons. However Pushtoons tend to be physically stronger because of the environment they come from. But it's mainly to do with the iconic images of Imran, Wasim etc coming in to bowl. For example we now have a lot of lefties in the domestic structure, all because of Wasim contributing so much to Pak cricket. I wouldn't be surprised if we get another Shoaib or Asif type of bowler in the next decade.

Every country has produced pace bowlers, but Indian bowlers are as good as Pakistani pacers and the fact that most of the Pakistani fast bowlers are Punjabi or Pathan must have to do something with ethnicity. Genetics might be same, it could only be the perception of people that turn punjabis and pathans in better bowlers for example, Punjabis and Pathans are generally perceived to be aggressive whereas people from other tribes/ethnic groups are perceived to be cool and calm. NOT SAYING THIS IS TRUE, JUST ONE POSSIBLE EXPLANATION.

 

[smash84]

but Pakistan has not had too many pathan fast bowlers

Imran and Umar Gul the only ones to have really represented Pak for a decent amount of time

The rest have been all punjabis

 

[morgieb]

Why and When did Blaze get banned?

Was Precrambrian's multi.

 

[Athlai]

KFC

India has a far far far lower amount of KFC restaurants proportionally to all good fast bowling nations. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[smash84]

KFC

India has a far far far lower amount of KFC restaurants proportionally to all good fast bowling nations. Coincidence? I think not.

it has more than Pakistan I think.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Indian KFC is crap.

Wonder what Atul Sharma eats

 

[unam]

Indian KFC is crap.

Wonder what Atul Sharma eats

lol
btw where is Atul Sharma now? there was so much hype about this guy. I believe this guy became more popular in cricketing world than some of those who actually played game.

 

[Manee]

Was/Am so bloody annoyed he never debuted.

 

[Migara]

There have been new studies that point to a significant Bengali contribution to the origins of the Sinhalese.

About 15% of gene pool is Bengali, rest is South Indian in Sinhalese. SL Tamils and Moors don't differ much either. Basically, SL is South Indian, except for the language we speak.

 

[Migara]

Hard to say, but Imran wasn't the first great Pakistan test seamer. Fazal Mahmood & Khan Mohammad go back to the early 50s & are probably both several cuts above any Indian quick to play before Kapil Dev.

Amar Singh and Mohammad Nisar?

 

[G.I.Joe]

About 15% of gene pool is Bengali, rest is South Indian in Sinhalese. SL Tamils and Moors don't differ much either. Basically, SL is South Indian, except for the language we speak.

Yeah, but here seem to be newer studies suggesting a predominantly Bengali origin - Genetic studies on Sinhalese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Xuhaib]

funnily enough was having a chat with my fiancee cousin on the very same topic last evening and he narrated me a discussion he had with this guy when they were playing league together in England.

Kuruvilla said that once he and Prasad went up to Wasim & Waqar and asked them how they could increase their pace and stamina and the reply they got from the two W's was they should add beef and mutton in their diet. Now I am not sure whether the two W's were just taking the piss or not but apparently it did have an influence on Venky and when he became the Indian bowling coach he added mutton in the diet plan for his fast bowlers.

 

[smash84]

funnily enough was having a chat with my fiancee cousin on the very same topic last evening and he narrated me a discussion he had with this guy when they were playing league together in England.

Kuruvilla said that once he and Prasad went up to Wasim & Waqar and asked them how they could increase their pace and stamina and the reply they got from the two W's was they should add beef and mutton in their diet. Now I am not sure whether the two W's were just taking the piss or not but apparently it did have an influence on Venky and when he became the Indian bowling coach he added mutton in the diet plan for his fast bowlers.

dude your fiance's cousin has a Sami-ish bowling average (even worse actually)

 

[Xuhaib]

he was an allrounder tbf.

 

[Migara]

Yeah, but here seem to be newer studies suggesting a predominantly Bengali origin - Genetic studies on Sinhalese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks for the link. Looks like an interesting read.

 

[Arachnodouche]

I'm sure there are studies linking meat consumption to more aggressive behaviors. Which has obvious repercussions for fast bowling.

Also, someone mentioned the non-veg eating population of India being more than the entire populations of a lot of countries....meat isn't a daily staple for a vast majority of Indians. It's more a feast to be enjoyed on maybe 3-4 days in a week. Besides, traditional Indian cooking deprives foods of their nutrients through excessive exposure to heat.

 

[unam]

wouldn't the supplements that players take compensate for not eating meat?

 

[smash84]

good question actually

 

[Zinzan]

Woot, my two favourite subjects, height and speed.



Mark Richardson was interviewing Waqar Younis the other day and I was a little taken aback that they are basically the same height, so about 5'10"ish. I know he isn't a fast bowler, but Shahid Afridi is nevertheless built like an archetypal strong Pakistani cricketer, yet he is clearly shorter than Ross Taylor, so again, no more than 5'11". I daresay Rana Naved and Razzaq are similar and Sami a bit shorter.

Excuse my 18 mth late reply, but from all reports Mark Richardson is exactly 6 foot and I'd suggest Waqar would be between 6'0 -6'1.

 

[smash84]

no....I think Waqar is shorter than 6 IIRC