*** Official New Zealand Domestic Cricket 2011/2012 ***

[HeathDavisSpeed]

But 'e can 'it it 'ard!

 

[Hurricane]

SR of 170 etc

 

[thierry henry]

Batsman who doesn't score runs etc

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

What annoys me the most about CdG is that he rarely considers the situation in the game. 200-4 or 10-4, he bats in exactly the same way. Needs a bit more nous as well as a bit more skill.

 

[Hurricane]

If you are selecting by the PIE system it seems likely that it could be skewed by 1 or 2 high stats for a player and I think that may have happened with CDG. Personally I am not to fussed about who they select for the 20 20 team and would prefer it isn't the test match players (except for Baz who loves 20 20).

 

[wellAlbidarned]

What annoys me the most about CdG is that he rarely considers the situation in the game. 200-4 or 10-4, he bats in exactly the same way. Needs a bit more nous as well as a bit more skill.

I think that's exactly why he was selected - as a man with a free license to slog no matter what.

 

[Flem274*]

I honestly can't repeat enough how bad he is. He really stands apart from the crowd as the worst limited overs batsman I can recall. Can anyone think of another "limited overs specialist" who plays predominantly as a batsman, averages less than 21 in both LO formats and takes 5 years to score his first 50 while getting picked game after game? It's truly staggering.

Anton Devcich (face)

 

[SteveNZ]

Look, ignoring a lot of this crap about 'worst ever' and whatever other stuff I've had to endure in the last few pages, I merely said Colin is more talented. And I stand by it. I've seen more than enough of both to know.

Let's not confuse talent with weight of runs. It's very easy to work out the difference.

 

[thierry henry]

Look, ignoring a lot of this crap about 'worst ever' and whatever other stuff I've had to endure in the last few pages, I merely said Colin is more talented. And I stand by it. I've seen more than enough of both to know.

Let's not confuse talent with weight of runs. It's very easy to work out the difference.

Talent for a batsman= ability to score runs.

Worst ever stuff you've "had to endure"= based on the fact I literally do not know of any other player picked as a batsman for a long time on a consistent basis who was so unable to score runs. So yep, worst ever that I can think of atm.

 

[Prince EWS]

CdG didn't actually get picked for the ODIs though did he? He was just in the T20 squad, and a T20 average of 20 with a strike rate of 170 is legitimately pretty useful, especially if you can field and bowl a bit. Don't see the issue.

 

[thierry henry]

CdG didn't actually get picked for the ODIs though did he? He was just in the T20 squad, and a T20 average of 20 with a strike rate of 170 is legitimately pretty useful, especially if you can field and bowl a bit. Don't see the issue.

I'm kinda on the fence on that front but leaning towards "gtfo ****". I mean, can he really bowl a bit? His bowling record is worse than his batting record!

Due to his bowling being so expensive that I'd probably never seriously consider bowling him, I can only evaluate him as a batsman. I know it's T20 but wouldn't you still want an actual batsman (read: someone who can score more than 40) as a specialist bat?

 

[thierry henry]

And the OD stuff just backs up the general point that the bloke simply cannot make a score in limited overs cricket. How do you pick a guy as basically a specialist bat when he has 5/6 years of not making scores behind him?

 

[Prince EWS]

I'm kinda on the fence on that front but leaning towards "gtfo ****". I mean, can he really bowl a bit? His bowling record is worse than his batting record!

Due to his bowling being so expensive that I'd probably never seriously consider bowling him, I can only evaluate him as a batsman. I know it's T20 but wouldn't you still want an actual batsman (read: someone who can score more than 40) as a specialist bat?

Nah, I really don't think so. When you've only got 20 overs, someone who's going to give you 20 (11) on average is a pretty good player, even if they rarely ever bowl. I mean I know it's pretty anti-cricket but so is T20 in general; when you've only got 20 overs you don't need all your batsmen to have the ability to build a proper limited overs innings.

 

[thierry henry]

Nah, I really don't think so. When you've only got 20 overs, someone who's going to give you 20 (11) on average is a pretty good player, even if they rarely ever bowl. I mean I know it's pretty anti-cricket but so is T20 in general; when you've only got 20 overs you don't need all your batsmen to have the ability to build a proper limited overs innings.

DWTA. For mine, he has to play as a specialist bat. Therefore imo he's a waste unless he bats, probably, top 5. If you lose 3 early wickets you still want a bloke who can actually bat over 25 balls without getting out. It's a complete waste of a spot in the side, surely? Tim Southee can come in and slog and never make more than 40 as well.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

CdG is a poor man's RtD. Really a batsman, but can send down a few overs. The big difference being that RtD can bat.

 

[Hurricane]

^I don't think anyone is arguing that he is a good batsman. Steve might be saying that he is talented but he isn't saying he is martin crowe either. I think people need to think very carefully about the game of T20 and define what kind of "batsman" you want in the team. TH has stated that he wants a top 5 batsman who can recover an innings and rebuild it if you lose some wickets. I think there is space in the team for one or two or even three batsman who lack this ability but who can just slog well. And yes if Luke Vivian was still around and if he had a SR of 200 maybe he would have been selected. I think his SR was only 140 though because everyone figured him out and bowled yorkers to him.

What is your definition of a good T20 batsman? What average should he have? What SR should he have?

 

[Flem274*]

Can't believe people give so much of a **** about 20/20. It exists to get domestic crowds and pay our players heaps of money when they have a six week holiday in India.

/snob

 

[Blakey]

Was McClenaghan bowling at Milne pace or Small pace?

Was around Small's pace.

I'd say he'd be hitting 140 quite often. He hits the gloves very nicely and gets good bounce.

If he continues like this and stays injury free then his extra pace and height will push him ahead of someone like Boult (lefty for lefty).

 

[Blakey]

tbf did anyone actually swing the ball today? Even the likes of Mason, Small and Martin were barely able to find any movement in the air. Maybe the temperature played a part because I doubt it was the warmest day ever done there. Either way though McClenaghan still looked impressive as you said, was absolutely gutted that the weather went south because that was actually fun to watch, was all over the batsmen during that short period and would've loved to have seen more.

Small definitely had some swing going on. If only Milne would pitch it up some more. Perhaps getting dealt to on some grounds is meaning it's a bit afraid to do this atm. I feel he's sacrificing wickets for damage mitigate.

 

[Hurricane]

I don't think TH and Heef are that hung up on the T20 team either I get the feeling that is the whole principal of a "poor" player being selected to represent NZ.

I could be wrong though - will let them answer for themselves.