*Official* English Football Season 2011-12

[Tom Halsey]

I can't see how the Kompany tackle is a red and Johnson's isn't.

For me, neither are even fouls, but football is getting itself into a mess in terms of what is and isn't allowed.

They're both fairly clear reds IMO. Both downright dangerous should they have got them wrong (which happens).

 

[Neil Pickup]

They're both fairly clear reds IMO. Both downright dangerous should they have got them wrong (which happens).

So then let's outlaw keepers punching crosses in case the keeper breaks someone's jaw, shall we?

Or the overhead kick? Pretty sure that could kill someone.

I have no issue with a red if someone gets these tackles wrong, but if you take that approach then where do you draw the line?

 

[Tom Halsey]

So then let's outlaw keepers punching crosses in case the keeper breaks someone's jaw, shall we?

Or the overhead kick? Pretty sure that could kill someone.

I have no issue with a red if someone gets these tackles wrong, but if you take that approach then where do you draw the line?

Difference there is a keeper has to attempt to punch the cross or risk giving the striker a free header or whatever. It's unavoidable as a function of the game. On the other hand, you don't have to go into a two footed tackle with studs up, because you could have gone in one footed without studs up.

It's just results orientated to say "well he got the tackle right, that's OK then". No-one can ever guarantee getting it right 100% of the time because there are so many other factors.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

**** I hate Nasri. I told you all he's ****ing puss and yet again I'm proved right.

At least it gives us valid reason to never listen to Marcuss' opinion on anything ever again. A victory for all, imo.

 

[Woodster]

The non-red card of Glenn Johnson is what frustrates everyone, it was clearly a more dangerous tackle, yet Kompany misses four games and Johnson doesn't even pick up a yellow! These are the problems when they try and turn a contact sport into a girls sport! Tackling is becoming a lost art, they're trying to do away with it, so it's no surprise when the players can't tackle properly!

Nasri was disappointing again tonight, but at least he was trying to give us that creative spark, shame his execution a lot of the time continues to let him down. Testing time for us without Kompany, Yaya, and Silva, but we have to get on with it and prove we have the squad to cope. Savic worries me at centre half currently, and I'm not a big Lescott fan.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Let's give the whole of Abu Dhabi to Milan for Thiago Silva.

 

[Jarquis]

**** I hate Nasri. I told you all he's ****ing puss and yet again I'm proved right.

At least it gives us valid reason to never listen to Marcuss' opinion on anything ever again. A victory for all, imo.

Oh, he's been absolutely ****ing diabolical for you at every opportunity he's been given. Doesn't get past the fact he performed considerably better for us last season.

 

[sledger]

The non-red card of Glenn Johnson is what frustrates everyone, it was clearly a more dangerous tackle, yet Kompany misses four games and Johnson doesn't even pick up a yellow! These are the problems when they try and turn a contact sport into a girls sport! Tackling is becoming a lost art, they're trying to do away with it, so it's no surprise when the players can't tackle properly!

This makes no sense. You're saying Johnson should have been sent off. But yet the rule by which he ought to have been sent off is stupid. You're saying the rule over tackles is turning football into a "girls sport" (which in itself is an incredibly stupid thing to say). You then claim tackling is a lost art, and and due to this it's no surprise that players attempt to make ridiculous irresponsible "tackles". Vacuous.

 

[Neil Pickup]

This makes no sense. You're saying Johnson should have been sent off. But yet the rule by which he ought to have been sent off is stupid. You're saying the rule over tackles is turning football into a "girls sport" (which in itself is an incredibly stupid thing to say). You then claim tackling is a lost art, and and due to this it's no surprise that players attempt to make ridiculous irresponsible "tackles". Vacuous.

No, he's saying the same thing as I did, just with more of a Citeh-fan flounce in it.

Either both are red or neither is.

 

[Nate]

Will have to have another look at it tonight, but I swear Johnson clipped the City player with his trailing leg after clearing the ball, although both feet were off the ground, whereas Kompany went right through Nani.

I was 50/50 with Kompany's on Saturday night, but I saw nothing wrong with Johnson's today.

 

[Woodster]

This makes no sense. You're saying Johnson should have been sent off. But yet the rule by which he ought to have been sent off is stupid. You're saying the rule over tackles is turning football into a "girls sport" (which in itself is an incredibly stupid thing to say). You then claim tackling is a lost art, and and due to this it's no surprise that players attempt to make ridiculous irresponsible "tackles". Vacuous.

No, he's saying the same thing as I did, just with more of a Citeh-fan flounce in it.

Either both are red or neither is.

Yes my personal opinion on it is that it is turning into a girls sport, there are so many players falling over and rolling around, and players are being booked and sent off for pathetic little fouls, it is awful to watch at times and I know a few of my mates who used to be well into their football that are genuinely losing interest in it due to the way the sport's going. That's my opinion.

However, if the rules state Kompany's was a red card, then the inconsistency is the main frustration when you see a tackle like Johnson's tonight that gets nothing.

Not contradicting myselt at all as Neil says. The fact I think it's going soft is not an incredibly stupid thing to say in my eyes, perhaps you've grown up with this non-contact sport, but I prefer contact sport, which football is, to have a bit more physicality about it. We have different views, it doesn't make either view stupid. You'd probably prefer to see tag-rugby aswell ?

 

[Woodster]

Will have to have another look at it tonight, but I swear Johnson clipped the City player with his trailing leg after clearing the ball, although both feet were off the ground, whereas Kompany went right through Nani.

I was 50/50 with Kompany's on Saturday night, but I saw nothing wrong with Johnson's today.

Johnson's contact with the ball was with both his feet! I'm not saying this was a bad challenge, he didn't go over the ball with the intent to injure, but neither did Vinny. I don't want to whinge about either decision, they happen, but these problems arise now because tackling is no longer a part of the game. Consistency is a massive issue with the refs and the disciplinary panel.

 

[Nate]

Johnson/the referee getting slated across the net. Must've been worse than I thought.

 

[sledger]

Yes my personal opinion on it is that it is turning into a girls sport, there are so many players falling over and rolling around, and players are being booked and sent off for pathetic little fouls, it is awful to watch at times and I know a few of my mates who used to be well into their football that are genuinely losing interest in it due to the way the sport's going. That's my opinion.

However, if the rules state Kompany's was a red card, then the inconsistency is the main frustration when you see a tackle like Johnson's tonight that gets nothing.

Not contradicting myselt at all as Neil says. The fact I think it's going soft is not an incredibly stupid thing to say in my eyes, perhaps you've grown up with this non-contact sport, but I prefer contact sport, which football is, to have a bit more physicality about it. We have different views, it doesn't make either view stupid. You'd probably prefer to see tag-rugby aswell ?

So tell me, what constitute a girls sport? One that is intrinsically soft? Yes, we want manly sports played by manly men after all! You're welcome to think the sport is soft. To claim it's a 'girls' sport as if there's something totally inferior about any female sporting event was the stupid thing about your comment.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Let's be honest here, everything is inferior about womens sport. Except for the b00bs.

Johnsons tackle was technically and visibly worse than Kompany's, both feet were together in a lunge as opposed to Kompanys. In any case, as long as they're both treated with the same punishment I'm fine. Inconsistencies are the main problem.

 

[Furball]

Oh, he's been absolutely ****ing diabolical for you at every opportunity he's been given. Doesn't get past the fact he performed considerably better for us last season.

Nasri was hopeless last season. Total minnow basher.

 

[sledger]

Johnsons tackle was technically and visibly worse than Kompany's, both feet were together in a lunge as opposed to Kompanys. In any case, as long as they're both treated with the same punishment I'm fine. Inconsistencies are the main problem.

This is the crux of the matter. As long as the rule is applied consistently I don't see anything wrong with it whatsoever. Lunging in with two feet in no way increases the chance of a player making a good tackle. Strong and robust tackles can be made with one foot off the ground, that's all that is required. There's nothing in the rules against physicality.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Nasri was hopeless last season. Total minnow basher.

Played a good game against United tbf. But I largely agree.

 

[Uppercut]

It's funny how the "good tackling is going out of the game" line is only ever trotted out in response to the most technically atrocious tackles.

 

[Woodster]

So tell me, what constitute a girls sport? One that is intrinsically soft? Yes, we want manly sports played by manly men after all! You're welcome to think the sport is soft. To claim it's a 'girls' sport as if there's something totally inferior about any female sporting event was the stupid thing about your comment.

Bit touchy that, think you get my point, it is a soft sport these days, these big hulks of men are throwing themselves around, it's embarrassing.

Let's be honest here, everything is inferior about womens sport. Except for the b00bs.

This is the crux of the matter. As long as the rule is applied consistently I don't see anything wrong with it whatsoever. Lunging in with two feet in no way increases the chance of a player making a good tackle. Strong and robust tackles can be made with one foot off the ground, that's all that is required. There's nothing in the rules against physicality.

Consistency is the main issue, the lack of it is what frustrates everyone. Lunging in with two feet is not a good tackle, so no, it doesn't improve the chances of making of a good tackle. My point earlier was because tackling is being gradually taken out of the game, the players are losing the ability to tackle properly, two footed lunges are not proper tackles. Paul Scholes is a prime example of someone not benig able to tackle, hence the number of red cards he's received in his career.