Peter Roebuck dies

[Top_Cat]

If Jim Maxwell was asked to leave the room by the Police, that would mean in NSW Roebuck was in custody because unless he is, they can't compel someone to leave the room. The Police would have a death in custody on their hands.

Very bad look this.

My thoughts exactly. A high-profile death in custody = COI?

 

[smash84]

itstl

 

[Z-Man]

The news has emerged that Peter Roebuck, the English Cricket journalist who committed suicide few days ago, wanted to have ***ual relationship with one of his Facebook friend.

The online friend, a 26-year-old Zimbabwean student, is said to have made claims of indecent assault to police after arranging to meet Roebuck in Cape Town to discuss a possible university sponsorship.

It has been reported that when officers arrived at Roebuck’s sixth-floor room at the Southern Sun Hotel to arrest him, he asked to change his clothes then opened a window and jumped out.

[Source: Mirror.co.uk]

 

[weldone]

Rip

 

[Prince EWS]

The news has emerged that Peter Roebuck, the English Cricket journalist who committed suicide few days ago, wanted to have ***ual relationship with one of his Facebook friend.

The online friend, a 26-year-old Zimbabwean student, is said to have made claims of indecent assault to police after arranging to meet Roebuck in Cape Town to discuss a possible university sponsorship.

It has been reported that when officers arrived at Roebuck’s sixth-floor room at the Southern Sun Hotel to arrest him, he asked to change his clothes then opened a window and jumped out.

[Source: Mirror.co.uk]

Peter Roebuck 'accused of indecently assualting man he met on Facebook' - mirror.co.uk

 

[howardj]

RE death in custody.

I mean, technically it may be. But it doesn't have a stench to it in the sense that it wasn't like he was taken back to the station and inexplicably died in a holding cell. He was from all reports a very distressed man who had access to a window on the sixth floor of a hotel.

Anyway, will always respect Roebuck as a man who lead the charge for change and accountability in Australian cricket over the past 12 months.

 

[BoyBrumby]

RE death in custody.

I mean, technically it may be. But it doesn't have a stench to it in the sense that it wasn't like he was taken back to the station and inexplicably died in a holding cell. He was from all reports a very distressed man who had access to a window on the sixth floor of a hotel.

Anyway, will always respect Roebuck as a man who lead the charge for change and accountability in Australian cricket over the past 12 months.

That's the very nub of the gist tho; there's no way a very distressed man should be allowed access to a sixth floor window. It's a serious dereliction of the officer's duty of care to the arrestee.

Meanwhile, there was a very balanced and quite poignant tribute from David Frith in The Independent.

 

[honestbharani]

That's the very nub of the gist tho; there's no way a very distressed man should be allowed access to a sixth floor window. It's a serious dereliction of the officer's duty of care to the arrestee.

Meanwhile, there was a very balanced and quite poignant tribute from David Frith in The Independent.

Depends on how visibily shaken he was, tbh. It was quite possible that the policeman on duty, if there was one, felt that an international sports journalist would not be so desperate in mind. Either way, really sad story.

 

[Top_Cat]

It's because it's hard to tell how someone will react to questioning/arrest that you have procedures to remove the possibility that someone, for example, may go for a weapon. I don't know the exact procedures in South Africa but here, something like this would be very poor coppering.

 

[honestbharani]

It's because it's hard to tell how someone will react to questioning/arrest that you have procedures to remove the possibility that someone, for example, may go for a weapon. I don't know the exact procedures in South Africa but here, something like this would be very poor coppering.

Fair enough. Suffice to say, things work a LOT differently here in India though.

 

[Rentboy69]

Following your logic, in a situation in a hotel room where there is a grown man, who hasn't been arrested, and is not cuffed, and is simply being questioned, the one cop in the room with him should nullify any possibility of the man taking his own life? Following that amazing, stupifyingly clear and sensible logic, it would follow that Roebuck would not have been allowed to his bathroom - he could have slit his wrists with his razor/drowned himself/hung himself/swallowed any pills in his toilet bag. Likewise, the cops should have immediately removed all glass wear from Roebuck's room, just in case he broke a glass/bottle and slashed his wrists. Fact is, if an intelligent guy like Roebuck wants to top himself (for whatever reason), one cop, 6 floors up, who is simply *questioning* the guy could not stop Roebuck from topping himself if that was Roebuck's wish. Even cuffed, if the window was part open, Roebuck could have dived head first though it.
**************IT WAS NOT THE COPS' FAULT********************

 

[Burgey]

Following your logic, in a situation in a hotel room where there is a grown man, who hasn't been arrested, and is not cuffed, and is simply being questioned, the one cop in the room with him should nullify any possibility of the man taking his own life? Following that amazing, stupifyingly clear and sensible logic, it would follow that Roebuck would not have been allowed to his bathroom - he could have slit his wrists with his razor/drowned himself/hung himself/swallowed any pills in his toilet bag. Likewise, the cops should have immediately removed all glass wear from Roebuck's room, just in case he broke a glass/bottle and slashed his wrists. Fact is, if an intelligent guy like Roebuck wants to top himself (for whatever reason), one cop, 6 floors up, who is simply *questioning* the guy could not stop Roebuck from topping himself if that was Roebuck's wish. Even cuffed, if the window was part open, Roebuck could have dived head first though it.
**************IT WAS NOT THE COPS' FAULT********************

Depends on the laws of the place. As I said before, if the Police here tell someone (Maxwell) to leave the room, they can only do it if Roebuck is in custody. Once that happens Roebuck is under the care and control of the police, so it's a death in custody.

 

[TT Boy]

I'm one to talk but Rentboy69 is one hell of a username.

 

[SteveNZ]

Following your logic, in a situation in a hotel room where there is a grown man, who hasn't been arrested, and is not cuffed, and is simply being questioned, the one cop in the room with him should nullify any possibility of the man taking his own life? Following that amazing, stupifyingly clear and sensible logic, it would follow that Roebuck would not have been allowed to his bathroom - he could have slit his wrists with his razor/drowned himself/hung himself/swallowed any pills in his toilet bag. Likewise, the cops should have immediately removed all glass wear from Roebuck's room, just in case he broke a glass/bottle and slashed his wrists. Fact is, if an intelligent guy like Roebuck wants to top himself (for whatever reason), one cop, 6 floors up, who is simply *questioning* the guy could not stop Roebuck from topping himself if that was Roebuck's wish. Even cuffed, if the window was part open, Roebuck could have dived head first though it.
**************IT WAS NOT THE COPS' FAULT********************

With all due respect, the window seems the most feasible option for suicide. If they can remove that possibility, the chances of him taking his life are greatly reduced.

 

[Top_Cat]

Following your logic, in a situation in a hotel room where there is a grown man, who hasn't been arrested, and is not cuffed, and is simply being questioned, the one cop in the room with him should nullify any possibility of the man taking his own life? Following that amazing, stupifyingly clear and sensible logic, it would follow that Roebuck would not have been allowed to his bathroom - he could have slit his wrists with his razor/drowned himself/hung himself/swallowed any pills in his toilet bag. Likewise, the cops should have immediately removed all glass wear from Roebuck's room, just in case he broke a glass/bottle and slashed his wrists. Fact is, if an intelligent guy like Roebuck wants to top himself (for whatever reason), one cop, 6 floors up, who is simply *questioning* the guy could not stop Roebuck from topping himself if that was Roebuck's wish. Even cuffed, if the window was part open, Roebuck could have dived head first though it.
**************IT WAS NOT THE COPS' FAULT********************

Serious question, ever arrest anyone?

And as Burgey said, circumstantially, it would appear he was under arrest which changes a few things.

 

[benchmark00]

I've made someone go into cardiac arrest with my stunning good looks and rock hard pecs.


Does that count?

 

[Spikey]

Rentboy69 - two more days tops

 

[Ausage]

Rentboy69 - two more days tops

I'm going to give him four. He's not posting too frequently which works in his favor.

 

[ganeshran]

I'm one to talk but Rentboy69 is one hell of a username.

 

[davidgdafter]

This is proving to be pretty tough for some people. A lot of people respect/respected Peter Roebuck as a player and commentator. However with the various accusations now coming out against him, it's becoming clear there may be a lot to this man that we didn't know.

To be fair, this can be said about anyone famous or not.....but in general what do you do if someone you admire and respect is accucused or proved to have been involved in something very unsavoury....can you just stop admiring them??