Butt/Amir/Asif - Spot Fixing Trial

[silentstriker]

Some of the US State prisons are so damn free and easy, well equipped and comfortable, it's no wonder it's not a deterrent Drugs being smuggled into the prison ffs, doesn't get much worse.. The only thing that's a likely deterrent is the crime that goes on inside the prison itself, crime that shouldn't be happening in the first place. Are UK prisons anything like that?

Yea, state prisons seem like real comfortable places (Warning: Adult language).

 

[Daemon]

Yea, state prisons seem like real comfortable places (Warning: Adult language).

Yeah, you should've read my disclaimer

And that's one thing I also mentioned. Rape, or any other crime within the prison shouldn't be happening, let alone be the main deterrent for possible criminals.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Daemon, stick to watching the cartoon network.

 

[centurymaker]

Spot fixing at cricket. I'm sure there are victims of real crime who'd feel pretty hollow seeing these kids go to jail, if UK is anything like Australia theres some pretty sideways stuff that ruins lives and goes unpunished. Cricket betting scandals pretty low on the list for mine. Before you go crazy, I'm all for it - just seems out of wack (though not up to date on UK justice system ftr)

The judge has lost his marbles. I wouldn't expect any of these sentences to stand on appeal.

Truthfully, I'd much rather they be banned from the game forever than get jail terms. It makes little sense to get jail terms when you're talking about like $5000. People get nothing (or probation) in the financial industry for stealing millions.

The crime/punishment is totally out of whack (in the US too).

agreed.
They are going to be spending time in JAIL for such a minor crime...while it sets a strong precedent, it's very harsh on these guys..

 

[aussie tragic]

I'm totally against any fixing of matches, but cricketers being jailed, with Butt getting 2 1/2 years

To put it in perspective, a 48 year old David Hookes was killed by a 21 year old bouncer after a contentious incident...bouncer was let off with no jail time, not even manslaughter which you might expect if 2 guys fought with one of them dying......

 

[r3alist]

Boohoo.

Are you actually mocking the death of someone??

Glad to see they got actual sentences and not a celebrity slap on the wrist.
The argument of them being sentenced too harshly as they only made small amounts of money is stupid, they were affecting the outcome of a game which has millions of dollars world wide bet on it.
The argument of paying players more to stop fixing is also stupid, by that argument a fry cooker in the local mcdonalds should be let off if he robs the place as it's mcdonalds own fault for not paying him enough. If they aren't happy with how much the PCB pays them they should seek alternate employment. I'm sure what they are being paid is above average for their countries wages,

Spot fixing isn't really the same as match fixing, the courts don't differentiate I think but amir and ASIf were pakistans best players, who performed well, but spot fixed.

 

[uvelocity]

To put it in perspective, a 48 year old David Hookes was killed by a 21 year old bouncer after a contentious incident...bouncer was let off with no jail time, not even manslaughter which you might expect if 2 guys fought with one of them dying......

A fireman was killed on the street next to mine by a woman high on drugs and drunk driving, she walked.

I'm sure a list could be made of worse crimes with lighter consequences.

 

[silentstriker]

Yeah, you should've read my disclaimer

And that's one thing I also mentioned. Rape, or any other crime within the prison shouldn't be happening, let alone be the main deterrent for possible criminals.

But your disclaimer invalidates your premise. Whether crime should or shouldn't be happening, the fact that it does happen, and happens quite offen, ergo it's not really a 'comfortable' place to be.

 

[Daemon]

But your disclaimer invalidates your premise. Whether crime should or shouldn't be happening, the fact that it does happen, and happens quite offen, ergo it's not really a 'comfortable' place to be.

Nah, you got me wrong. My disclaimer was this

Sorry in advance for being ignorant, I get my information from the Discovery Channel

I was wrong about the US state prisons being a 'comfortable' place, obviously.

 

[fredfertang]

I'm totally against any fixing of matches, but cricketers being jailed, with Butt getting 2 1/2 years

To put it in perspective, a 48 year old David Hookes was killed by a 21 year old bouncer after a contentious incident...bouncer was let off with no jail time, not even manslaughter which you might expect if 2 guys fought with one of them dying......

Given that I believe Hookes "assailant" was acquitted I can't see how that case is really relevant, tragic though it obviously was

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Well even if we disagree about their jail sentence, they will still have to go through it. I hope that it passes without incident and that once they are free, they manage to secure decent jobs outside of cricket to support their families, otherwise the whole thing will be such a tragedy, especially for Amir. That's why I feel for him the most because he hasn't made that much money from cricket and now what profession can he really work in without an education.

 

[Burgey]

There's almost an attitude that these three are martyrs.

Well, they aren't. They made the mistake this time of fixing a match and getting caught in a country where the system worked as its meant to, and didn't let them off because of who they are.

So please don't pity them. Their families maybe, but not them.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Well even if we disagree about their jail sentence, they will still have to go through it. I hope that it passes without incident and that once they are free, they manage to secure decent jobs outside of cricket to support their families, otherwise the whole thing will be such a tragedy, especially for Amir. That's why I feel for him the most because he hasn't made that much money from cricket and now what profession can he really work in without an education.

Because there aren't hundreds of millions of people in poverty who in their lifetime will only make a fraction of what those three arsewipes will make in a year. But obviously because those millions of people aren't celebrities they don't really exist and we should instead sympathise with money grabbing scumbags who we are familiar with.

And you've got to be pretty naive to think that those three won't make a small fortune when they get out. Even extremely dull people like Michael Owen can have biographies written for them.

 

[silentstriker]

There's almost an attitude that these three are martyrs.

Well, they aren't. They made the mistake this time of fixing a match and getting caught in a country where the system worked as its meant to, and didn't let them off because of who they are.

So please don't pity them. Their families maybe, but not them.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly don't think they are martyrs. The justice system worked as it was "supposed to", meaning, the law was applied - I just question the appropriateness of the law. They should all be banned forever from cricket without a doubt, but I don't really think it's correct to jail people for things like this.

There are many laws like this of course and it just points to the inanity of some of the sentences - a couple examples were posted earlier about people whose actions result in the death of another person, assault, etc frequently get much less, not to mentioned high powered bankers and other people who do a lot more damage to individuals and society. But of course, that's a much larger point than this.

I said the same thing about a college kid being jailed for taking like a few dollars worth of stuff during the riots in England earlier in the year. What are you protecting society from? And how much is society being harmed by one less college educated taxpayer and one more felon?

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Have to admit that my opinion is swayed a bit by this post. Should be enough that they are banned from cricket and heavy fines are imposed. Used to think that an example should have been made of these guys, but not anymore. Jail time is some serious **** and brands a person as a criminal for the rest of their lives. Also I dislike seeing their families suffer like this over their loved ones.

They ARE criminals. Why shouldn't they be branded as such?

 

[flibbertyjibber]

They ARE criminals. Why shouldn't they be branded as such?

Does this mean they are going to play for Australia when they come out?

 

[Fusion]

There's almost an attitude that these three are martyrs.

Well, they aren't. They made the mistake this time of fixing a match and getting caught in a country where the system worked as its meant to, and didn't let them off because of who they are.

So please don't pity them. Their families maybe, but not them.

I don't think the "martyr" sentiment is out there really. The reaction back home has been of anger directed towards the players for embarrassing the country. People are also saddened at the jail sentence, but mostly for the players’ families. I think there’s almost no sympathy for Butt and Asif, and some sympathy for Amir because of his age.

 

[silentstriker]

They ARE criminals. Why shouldn't they be branded as such?

Because it's a stupid law. It should be illegal in a sporting sense, not in a larger societal sense.

 

[four_or_six]

Does this mean they are going to play for Australia when they come out?

Sorry, I mean stop baiting our Australian posters.

 

[four_or_six]

Because it's a stupid law. It should be illegal in a sporting sense, not in a larger societal sense.

What they did is fraud, isn't it?