Butt/Amir/Asif - Spot Fixing Trial

[KiWiNiNjA]

Was there any investigation done to support the Australian players' claim that Majid was lying?

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Has there been any investigation into his alleged charges?

Not yet. Might be now this trial is over though. I would imagine the police will want a word anyway to see if there is any evidence.

 

[intcricket]

Not yet. Might be now this trial is over though. I would imagine the police will want a word anyway to see if there is any evidence.

Thats good. We must build on this momentum and clean our sport.

 

[Howe_zat]

To state you a few examples-

1. The famous Azhar-Cronje episode occurred in India but the Kings Commission charged them and pursued the case in SA. If Indian law would've had its way, the players would've been behind bars for quite some time. However, some strings were pulled and no one bar Gibbs faced trouble from the Indian police.

2. Shane Warne and Mark Waugh committed an offence of providing information to an Indian bookmaker during Australia's tour of Sri Lanka in 1994. The case was pursued in Australia, despite being committed in Sri Lanka.

3. Dilshan (allegedly) raped a woman in Zimbabwe but wasn't even detained.

The point I am trying to make here is that the respective boards pulled a few strings and got their players back home. Pakistan doesn't seem to have the ability/credibility to do the same.

These players have been banned by the ICC, of which the PCB is a member, and so it's now none of the PCB's business.

Dilshan, incidentally, wasn't detained because the allegations against him were quickly found to be bollocks.

 

[G.I.Joe]

They both will.

In England crimes involving money get ridiculously tough sentences. You can do a fraud and get 10 years yet only 6 months for fiddling with kids. Go figure.

In unrelated news, the world finds out why PEWS truly supports England.

 

[intcricket]

These players have been banned by the ICC, of which the PCB is a member, and so it's now none of the PCB's business.

Dilshan, incidentally, wasn't detained because the allegations against him were quickly found to be bollocks.

I think if Pakistan did have the kind of respect they had in the 1990s, they could've used their diplomatic channels to ensure the Brits drop the charges in England and let Pakistan take it from there.

Nevertheless, the 2 players got what they deserved. It is so unfortunate for them, for Pakistan and our sport on the whole that money was allowed to supersede performance.

Are you sure on the Dilshan thing though? I remember reading something else on a website a few months back.

 

[Cevno]

Second conviction ever for cheating of any sportsmen in UK., after the conviction of 3 footballers in 1964.

 

[intcricket]

Second conviction ever, after the conviction of 3 footballers in 1964 of any sportsmen in UK.

Sad day for cricket.

 

[Daemon]

Dilshan, incidentally, wasn't detained because the allegations against him were quickly found to be bollocks.

Interesting choice of words there..

 

[Cevno]

Amir, the young pace bowler from the Punjab who beguiled the world before his crimes were exposed, pleaded guilty to spot-fixing on September 16, at the start of legal proceedings against the Pakistani trio. Mazhar Majeed, their British agent who was paid £150,000 by an undercover reporter to fix elements of the Lord’s Test against England, has also pleaded guilty.

For legal reasons, the jury in the Butt-Asif trial were not told about those two guilty verdicts, and they have not yet been reported in the UK.

Cricket News, The Doosra - Fighting the fix | 7DAYS

Was reading some articles and is this true?

All UK based members to be blocked from this thread.

 

[r3alist]

Why not, guilty as charged, lock them up.

It was crass opportunism, looking to profit of the odd ball, the two of them did bowl very well, I don't think they are criminals per se, especially when you consider the light sentences people who commit crimes like robbery and assault.

Majeed is a criminal, his whole life is based on crime, and he represented an interface between the underworld and sport

 

[Cevno]

I think if Pakistan did have the kind of respect they had in the 1990s, they could've used their diplomatic channels to ensure the Brits drop the charges in England and let Pakistan take it from there.

Nevertheless, the 2 players got what they deserved. It is so unfortunate for them, for Pakistan and our sport on the whole that money was allowed to supersede performance.

Are you sure on the Dilshan thing though? I remember reading something else on a website a few months back.

PCB using Diplomatic channels has saved Asif once before already when he was facing Drug Possesion charges in UAE.

Even if they get convicted after further appeals the Pakistani government i think, can get them deported to Pakistan to face Jail term there(like some other famous cases). Doubt the UK government would agree though as then they can be let off by Presidential pardon then like Michael Shields for example.

 

[intcricket]

PCB using Diplomatic channels has saved Asif once before already when he was facing Drug Possesion charges in UAE.

Asif is just such a sad story. Like his teammate Shoaib Akhtar, the tremendous potential in Asif has been flushed down the drain thanks to his own wrong-doing.

 

[marc71178]

It was crass opportunism, looking to profit of the odd ball, the two of them did bowl very well, I don't think they are criminals per se, especially when you consider the light sentences people who commit crimes like robbery and assault.

Pure and utter tripe. They're guilty and have been convicted and should be punished properly.

Not surprised you've taken this view though, since you didn't even believe the conclusive evidence that showed they did it in the first place.

 

[slowfinger]

Pure and utter tripe. They're guilty and have been convicted and should be punished properly.

Not surprised you've taken this view though, since you didn't even believe the conclusive evidence that showed they did it in the first place.

Who knows where Mazhar Majeed got that money from? IMO, if you take money to do something against the law, that is illegal. Doesn't matter if you were a good boy or anything else, you have done something illegal and you should prepare yourself for a sentence. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

 

[r3alist]

Pure and utter tripe. They're guilty and have been convicted and should be punished properly.

Not surprised you've taken this view though, since you didn't even believe the conclusive evidence that showed they did it in the first place.

Um I agree they should be punished, I am only questioning what "proper" punishment is, please engage your brain.

And I never doubted the evidence, I only asked for it to be verified, obviously the courts proved that, but my comments were well before that.

So please relax on the generalisations.

 

[slowfinger]

Um I agree they should be punished, I am only questioning what "proper" punishment is, please engage your brain.

And I never doubted the evidence, I only asked for it to be verified, obviously the courts proved that, but my comments were well before that.

So please relax on the generalisations.

Hmmm....

The ratio of cheating:killing which would mean killing can give up to a lifetime (say 30 years in prison)

cheating:30 years

The jury says a maximum of 9 years

9:30 = 3:10

Bad mathematics but thats how it stands for me. This is 3/10's as bad as a PROPER punishment.

 

[salman85]

Sorry for a complete lack of the judicial and legal system, but what becomes of amir now since he pleaded guilty? Im talking strictly from a legal perspective, not from a what might or might not happen.

 

[Furball]

Sorry for a complete lack of the judicial and legal system, but what becomes of amir now since he pleaded guilty? Im talking strictly from a legal perspective, not from a what might or might not happen.

Down to the judge to sentence him.

 

[Furball]

How does that work unless there is new evidence?

Either he is guilty or if there is doubt he is not.

Because in England you need a 10-2 majority. No idea what happens if the jury repeatedly can't come to a verdict.

Doesn't happen in our superior legal system, you only need an 8-7 majority to reach a verdict up here.