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Butt/Amir/Asif - Spot Fixing Trial

Agent Nationaux

Agent Nationaux

International Coach
If they serve their respected times in prison and are somehow selected for Pak after their 5 year ban, who here would still be against that?
 
bagapath

bagapath

International Captain
of course i would be against that. i am sure there are many talented and honest young kids on the streets of pakistan keen to play cricket for their nation with pride. they are the future.
 
smash84

smash84

The Tiger King
I think they should be banned for life otherwise a lot of others might think that they can get away with murder
 
Hurricane

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
Amir, the young pace bowler from the Punjab who beguiled the world before his crimes were exposed, pleaded guilty to spot-fixing on September 16, at the start of legal proceedings against the Pakistani trio. Mazhar Majeed, their British agent who was paid £150,000 by an undercover reporter to fix elements of the Lord’s Test against England, has also pleaded guilty.

For legal reasons, the jury in the Butt-Asif trial were not told about those two guilty verdicts, and they have not yet been reported in the UK.
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Why was the jury not told? Surely that is relevant...
 
Xuhaib

Xuhaib

International Coach
"Players are often advised to leave their sport when still at the top of their games. Not sure Amir and Asif interpreted this quite right."

haha...love Zaltz.
 
Xuhaib

Xuhaib

International Coach
Spot-fixing controversy: ACSU to launch own investigation into Pakistan's tour of England | Pakistan Cricket News | ESPN Cricinfo

I always felt spot fixing is not equal to match fixing but I am having second thoughts now. How can you keep your focus on winning the game when your are more concerned on how certain orders need to be carried out. Yes cricket is a very long game however there are key moments which can shift the entire momentum of the game for e.g the bookie asks Aamer to give 13 runs in 3 overs at a certain time now what happens if there are 2 new batsman at the crease and its important you keep pressure on them and not give away free runs, one easy over can release the pressure get the batsman going and the whole momentum changes. I hope these bastards rot in jail and never ever get to wear their cricketing whites the only people who I feel sorry for is their immediate family who don't deserve to be associated with these cheats.
 
G.I.Joe

G.I.Joe

International Coach
Hurricane said:
It would be a farce if the jury found them innocent and Amir confessed. I would not call that a fair trial.
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Nah. It prejudices the minds of the jurors against the fellow defendant who states his innocence. Amir confessing to guilt does not automatically imply that Asif was guilty too, but the jury would fall into the trap of making that legally incorrect association. It would have denied Asif a fair trial.
 
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Hurricane

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
It does automatically imply that Asif is guilty. I think it is vital evidence that should have been disclosed.

Emphasis on the word imply here - the jury is free to assume that Amir is on drugs and is deluded and has incorrectly confessed. His confession would not gaurantee a guilty verdict - but would heavily influence one as it should have.

How could Amir be guilty and Asif innocent?
 
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intcricket

U19 12th Man
SJS said:
I dont think its a sad day for cricket. That was more than a decade ago. Since then we have been through feelings of exaggerated cynicism wondering whether we would ever be able to trust any close results (and we have had our doubts), of acute denials in the face of compelling evidence to the contrary, of frustration at the lack of action by the ICC and the complete indifference of the individual boards to the shenanigans of the players.

No I think we have been through this "saddest day for cricket" stuff.

The second point I wish to make is that this is no time for "I told you so" either - certainly not if we direct it at a particular country. The problem is wide spread and players of many boards have been involved at one time or the other. Pakistan is not the only one. So lets refrain from that bit.

For those of us who have felt defensive when names of cricketers of our own countries have been involved and self-righteously indignant in the case of others its a time to introspect. The cancer is wide spread and but for the case being tried in a court, thank God, of justice of UK rather than a committee of a national cricket board or the toothless ICC agencies, this would have never come to pass.

I feel like writing much more but I am proposing a feature on this in the next few days so I will stop here . . .
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Very well written.
 
M

mono

U19 Debutant
I feel sorry for Amir. This kid was only 18 when this happened, why can't they reduce his sentence from 5 years to 1 or 2 years.
 
G.I.Joe

G.I.Joe

International Coach
Hurricane said:
It does automatically imply that Asif is guilty. I think it is vital evidence that should have been disclosed.

Emphasis on the word imply here - the jury is free to assume that Amir is on drugs and is deluded and has incorrectly confessed. His confession would not gaurantee a guilty verdict - but would heavily influence one as it should have.

How could Amir be guilty and Asif innocent?
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It is entirely plausible for one to be guilty and the other innocent. One of them could have bowled a deliberate no ball, and the other could have overstepped innocently. Therefore, each one of them has to have an individual case built against him, you can't treat them as a single entity who are either all guilty or all innocent. Disclosing Amir's plea of guilty would ensure that the jurors fall into the trap of assuming guilt by association (or whatever the legal term is). I mean, look at yourself. You've made the same mistake.
 
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