Who is the best fast bowler in the world right now - Tests

[r3alist]

Sorry, Australia (in Australia btw, traditionally an absolute graveyard for opposition bowlers), Sri Lanka and India are weak teams now?

australia are significantly weaker than they have been, a fairly ordinary batting line up

india were in complete and utter dis-array, they performed no better than bangladesh would have.


and jimmykins averages over 30 against the saffies, who are a solid batting team.

compare that to steyn, who is just a more complete, capable and skillful bowler than jimmy could EVER be

 

[marc71178]

i said eventually, not quite there yet but in a few years time he could well be no.1, especially once steyn is finished.

he has been the best young bowling prospect, period.

Apart from almost every other young bowler, yes you're right.

 

[r3alist]

Look, Steyn has been performing at a higher level, for longer. But there's been absolutely nothing between the two for the last 18 months. There is absolutely no doubt that Steyn has had the better career, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he is the better bowler right now. And I think there's certainly a case to be made that Anderson might just be the better bowler just now. That doesn't mean that I don't think that Steyn is by far the best bowler of his contemporaries, but it's also high praise for Anderson that he has raised his game to the same levels Steyn's been at for the last 3 or 4 years. Zaheer Khan would be up there as well if he wasn't broken.

look, listen up, anderson is not half the bowler steyn is.

steyn has set a crazy high standard.

use your eyes, use your knowledge of bowling if you have any, numbers dont tell the whole story, anderson faced a crazy weak india, and a pakistan GIVING their wickets away to boost his numbers, doesnt mean his abilities match to the numbers, just that he was LUCKY facing weak teams in GOOD conditions.

how come a teenage amir bowled better than anderson in england? how come he showed more skill and ability than anderson?

how come a teenager learnt how to swing the ball both ways in a matter of months whilst it took jimmykins YEARS to get to an ok level?

 

[centurymaker]

Can't believe I'm doing this but here go, how do you come up with that logic, if you rate Anderson you're underrating of Steyn, WTF?
How can you have a problem in someone rating Anderson, in the last couple of years he's closed down the ground on Steyn massively, since the start of 2010 Steyn averages 21, Jimmy 23 and Anderson's played far more tests than Steyn, so it's not as if is not in the same league.
I just don't get where you coming from and it almost sounds like your just trying to cause friction, in what ****ing world can't you rate both Steyn and Anderson highly.
If anything it's you that doesn't rate Anderson highly enough but then again I couldn't give a monkeys if you do or don't.

i rate him as the 2nd best but still some way behind steyn who's on track to become a top tier ATG.
anderson's ICC rating is 800 atm. approx 100 points below steyn's so there's nothing there to make me rate him as highly as steyn.

when there's assistance anderson is probably as good as anyone but when there isn't he's avg. (even his team mate Broad was causing problems all the time regardless of the conditions in the last series).

GF-
steyn's figures have been ruined by the two tests in uae, while anderson's figures have been boosted by the 4 tests against pak.

so instead of a 2 point avg gap, there's probably a 5 point gap there.

look if anderson comes out of uae tests without his figures becoming worse, I'll start saying that he's as good as steyn or maybe a bit better than him ATM.

 

[Furball]

GF-
steyn's figures have been ruined by the two tests in uae, while anderson's figures have been boosted by the 4 tests against pak.

so instead of a 2 point avg gap, there's probably a 5 point gap there.

look if anderson comes out of uae tests without his figures becoming worse, I'll start saying that he's as good as steyn or maybe a bit better than him ATM.

Fair enough. I think Jimmy's progressed his game to the point where he'll take cheap wickets anywhere, against anyone.

 

[centurymaker]

anderson wasn't a class apart in the last series. i mean when there was swing he looked very threatening but when there wasn't he looked out of gas.



broad 25 wickets @ avg of 13.8
Bresnan 16 @ 16.3
Anderson 21 @ 25.7


a bit surprised with bresnan's figures...

 

[r3alist]

look if anderson comes out of uae tests without his figures becoming worse, I'll start saying that he's as good as steyn or maybe a bit better than him ATM.

he needs to show some real balls and REAL ability to reverse swing, guys like waqar, wasim and steyn can inflict damage in tough conditions because they had more pace, more skill and bigger hearts than jimmykins.

numbers wont tell the whole story.

he might get lucky and benefit from a pakistan implosion, a good chance of cheap wickets, does that mean he is good? ofcourse not.

 

[FBU]

how come a teenage amir bowled better than anderson in england? how come he showed more skill and ability than anderson?

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Pakistan series in England

Anderson 23 wickets at 13.13 econ 2.24 s/r 36.6
Amir 19 wickets at 18.96 econ 2.62 s/r 42.0

 

[r3alist]

how come a teenage amir bowled better than anderson in england? how come he showed more skill and ability than anderson?

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Pakistan series in England

Anderson 23 wickets at 13.13 econ 2.24 s/r 36.6
Amir 19 wickets at 18.96 econ 2.62 s/r 42.0

you are not listening to me are you?

pakistan were in a worser state than bangladesh, complete dis array and dis harmony, he was playing in overcast conditions at home against a joke team, big f***ing deal.

amir the teenager was playing for the aforementioned team that was in a shambles, he was playing against a MUCH better batting team in their home conditions, he also had plenty of catches dropped, whats the better individual achievement sherlock?

 

[Furball]

he needs to show some real balls and REAL ability to reverse swing, guys like waqar, wasim and steyn can inflict damage in tough conditions because they had more pace, more skill and bigger hearts than jimmykins.

numbers wont tell the whole story.

he might get lucky and benefit from a pakistan implosion, a good chance of cheap wickets, does that mean he is good? ofcourse not.

Anderson can reverse swing the ball, go and watch his spell in Sydney.

And it's a complete myth that Steyn bowls at a greater pace than Anderson. Steyn in the last year has seriously throttled back on his pace in order to extract more movement through the air. Both men tend to operate in the 83-85mph range these days.

 

[Furball]

anderson wasn't a class apart in the last series. i mean when there was swing he looked very threatening but when there wasn't he looked out of gas.



broad 25 wickets @ avg of 13.8
Bresnan 16 @ 16.3
Anderson 21 @ 25.7


a bit surprised with bresnan's figures...

Anderson taking 21 wickets @ 25 despite not being at his best is evidence of how much he's improved. 3 years ago he wouldn't have done anywhere near as well.

 

[zaremba]

look, listen up, anderson is not half the bowler steyn is.

steyn has set a crazy high standard.

use your eyes, use your knowledge of bowling if you have any, numbers dont tell the whole story, anderson faced a crazy weak india, and a pakistan GIVING their wickets away to boost his numbers, doesnt mean his abilities match to the numbers, just that he was LUCKY facing weak teams in GOOD conditions.

how come a teenage amir bowled better than anderson in england? how come he showed more skill and ability than anderson?

how come a teenager learnt how to swing the ball both ways in a matter of months whilst it took jimmykins YEARS to get to an ok level?

That's a piss-poor response to an intelligent and well-reasoned post by GF.

Not that it's a contest, but GF wins

 

[r3alist]

Anderson can reverse swing the ball, go and watch his spell in Sydney.

And it's a complete myth that Steyn bowls at a greater pace than Anderson. Steyn in the last year has seriously throttled back on his pace in order to extract more movement through the air. Both men tend to operate in the 83-85mph range these days.

so now anderson and steyn bowl at the same speed


steyn throttles it up when he needs to, and adaps tot he conditions, he can do that because he has that ability.

anderson will reach 88 max, average around 83-85, steyn can hit early 90's consistently over a spell if need be.

just one of the many merits steyn has over jimmy, i know you are reading, but are you understanding?

 

[centurymaker]

how quick was steyn yesterday (he was returning from his major injury) ?

 

[Furball]

how quick was steyn yesterday (he was returning from his major injury) ?

Don't watch the CL, and how quick a bowler is bowling in T20 is irrelevant to Tests.

 

[Furball]

so now anderson and steyn bowl at the same speed

When was the last time you watched Steyn? Because anytime I was watching him against India he was firmly in the 83-85mph zone.

 

[r3alist]

That's a piss-poor response to an intelligent and well-reasoned post by GF.

Not that it's a contest, but GF wins

look, engage your brain a bit.

if you are using andersons stats as testament to his ability then you are basically being blind to reality.

anderson has picked up 43 wickets against pakistan and india over the past year, at home in overcast conditions when both teams were in utter utter disarray, in others words it was rather easy for him.

well done and all that for cleaning up, but its hardly anything "special", india and pakistan might sound like decent enough teams to show off, reality is they played worse than bangladesh, just be honest ok and acknowledge it as such, thats all i ask.

 

[BlazeDragon]

he needs to show some real balls and REAL ability to reverse swing, guys like waqar, wasim and steyn can inflict damage in tough conditions because they had more pace, more skill and bigger hearts than jimmykins.

Absurd post.

Since when exactly being able to reverse swing made you the better bowler?

 

[Jacknife]

When was the last time you watched Steyn? Because anytime I was watching him against India he was firmly in the 83-85mph zone.

Steyn's even said that's what he's done to get more movement in the air and the last few series his pace had dropped, same as Jimmy he used to bowl high 80's but the ideal pace for swing bowing is 83-85mph. Steyn very rarely gets into the 90's in test match cricket and hasn't done for quite some time.

 

[Jacknife]

Absurd post.

Since when exactly being able to reverse swing made you the better bowler?

Don't argue, The Force is strong with this one.