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*Official* Fourth Test at The Oval

Jarquis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
He should maybe bowl around the wicket and pitch off or thereabouts. That would give him plenty of ways of dismissing a right-hand batsman and he's obviously used to bowling around the wicket because he does it to left handers. If it doesn't spin then it does make it a little awkward if you're playing with the spin, because then you're going against the angle. You've got the outside edge as a possibility. If it's spinning you've got a big lbw threat and you still have the bat-pad threat. I don't know the history and whether other off-spinning bowlers have used that angle much in the past.
Actually think Swann just naturally bowls a lot better from around the wicket. Seems to force his arm higher imo.
 

MW1304

Cricketer Of The Year
So annoyed I was out today, seems like the best cricket we've had since early Trent Bridge.

Adore Dravid after this series, too, what a player and what a guy. You tend to notice some players more if they've really made an impact against your team, and especially in your country - its a bit Anglo-centric of me but you can't help it - and Dravid has done that in this series more than anyone in the not considerable amount of time I've been watching the game. Michael Clarke was awesome in 2009 but not quite this good.

Going down to the Oval tomorrow, which should be pretty good. Stoked about seeing Sachin bat considering its probably the final chance I'd ever get, and the chance is there for him to get his 100th! :)
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Actually think Swann just naturally bowls a lot better from around the wicket. Seems to force his arm higher imo.
Maybe. Psychology plays a part as well I think.

He does bowl the odd one around to right handers, but only as a very short-lived variation. So it ends up being a bit half-arsed, he gets hit for 4 and reverts back. There's not much margin for error as a few inches either way and you've got a ball with width or one heading down leg. I'd be interested to hear of any similar bowlers who use that line of attack consistently to right-armers. Murali did it occasionally from memory, but not consistently. I think it can work but it's just what people are used to really.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Don't know where to post this, but Vaughan and Flintoff's twitter sledging of India has been fantastic all series
 

MW1304

Cricketer Of The Year
Btw I've just seen that bat-pad decision and I'm now unsure as to how many of the CW population are blind. To me that is a clear deflection, just from the front-on slow-mo. It could not have been anything other than the bat causing that deflection, to me that is "enough evidence" to give him out - was shown to be the correct decision anyway, so we should just be thanking the DRS for doing its job.
 

hazsa19

International Regular
Btw I've just seen that bat-pad decision and I'm now unsure as to how many of the CW population are blind. To me that is a clear deflection, just from the front-on slow-mo. It could not have been anything other than the bat causing that deflection, to me that is "enough evidence" to give him out - was shown to be the correct decision anyway, so we should just be thanking the DRS for doing its job.
Not to mention the commentators. You don't need a hot-spot if the ball changes direction after passing the bat!
 

hazsa19

International Regular
Not to mention the commentators. You don't need a hot-spot if the ball changes direction after passing the bat!
Speaking of commentators, since when did we stop giving bowlers credit for bowling a perfect line and length at 85mph with a bit of seam movement? (In regard to Laxmans wicket)
 

Jacknife

International Captain
Speaking of commentators, since when did we stop giving bowlers credit for bowling a perfect line and length at 85mph with a bit of seam movement? (In regard to Laxmans wicket)
Botham loved the delivery at the time, it was only when they looked at the flight path and deviation of the ball, they realised Laxman played the wrong line, still it was a peach of a ball.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Btw I've just seen that bat-pad decision and I'm now unsure as to how many of the CW population are blind. To me that is a clear deflection, just from the front-on slow-mo. It could not have been anything other than the bat causing that deflection, to me that is "enough evidence" to give him out - was shown to be the correct decision anyway, so we should just be thanking the DRS for doing its job.
I've always believed that hot spot and snicko were simply not very accurate and shouldn't be part of the game. However, I'm also starting to come around to the idea of abandoning hawk eye as well, there is no way to tell how accurate hawkeye is. Best way to use technology for lbws, caught behinds and bat-pad decisions is the television replay and a pitch map. We really should be relying on the eye and the hear and not on a computerised tool to make a decision.
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Warne almost looks gaunt!
He looks like an Essex boy...who would've thought dating Liz Hurley would turn Warnie gay.

Better add a cricket related comment too - another great effort from England this match, and Dravid was awesome. Got the chance to watch some on Foxtel at the buck's party. Was nice to see it on the big screen.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Btw I've just seen that bat-pad decision and I'm now unsure as to how many of the CW population are blind. To me that is a clear deflection, just from the front-on slow-mo. It could not have been anything other than the bat causing that deflection, to me that is "enough evidence" to give him out - was shown to be the correct decision anyway, so we should just be thanking the DRS for doing its job.
Yeah I'm confused by that too. I thought the deflection was pretty obvious... even on the Hotspot footage.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Yeah I'm confused by that too. I thought the deflection was pretty obvious... even on the Hotspot footage.
I suppose the pertinent point is what measure of proof is require to overturn a decision? It looked like a small deviation on most of the camera angles, but there was one (close in from slightly to the left looking down the wicket) where it didn't look obvious at all. That, coupled with the lack of a Hotspot mark and the original NO is grounds for reasonable doubt, I would say.

However, one of the comms did say (might even have been Botham, in a "stopped clock giving the right time twice a day" way) that umpires are getting "braver" with their decisions (you could say the same of the Raina stumping from Saturday too; Atherton said at the time he'd be disappointed to be hung on that evidence) so maybe there's been a change of the directive?
 

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