Dhoni V Prior (Tests)

[Furball]

did english batsmen do well last summer at home ? no

uae produces the flattest pitches ever seen!!

Trott, Cook, Prior and Broad all hit tons.

 

[Howe_zat]

Talking about a particular series here which many English Fans have mentioned themselves previously in Batting comparison's to be a low scoring one plus all the crisis around Pakistan.

And the tracks in Abu Dhabi for the SA series were particularly flat.

We were talking about performances over the last year or so. If you think the pitches are massively relevant, to the extent that a home summer where a bowler averaging 17 isn't impressive, you have to admit either:

1. England's batting over the same period has been nothing short of amazing

or

2. Anderson's bowling on other pitches in the last 18 months deserves mountains of extra credit.

But no. Apparently there is always an excuse no matter whether it's batting or bowling, flat pitches or seaming pitches, good opposition or compromised, just to find a reason to avoid admitting England have been good.

 

[Howe_zat]

Trott, Cook, Prior and Broad all hit tons.

Also Morgan.

 

[Uppercut]

I wouldn't say the difference between Steyn and Anderson just now is particularly big. Steyn's the better bowler on account of performing at a higher level for longer. The difference in performance between the two in the last 2 years is fairly negligible.

Yeah, but you rate them closer than almost everyone else. When the debate is over whether Steyn is miles better than Anderson or Steyn is a bit better than Anderson, they're not close.

 

[Uppercut]

did english batsmen do well last summer at home ? no

uae produces the flattest pitches ever seen!!

I only brought that up because you were acting as if the South African pitches were directly comparable to those in England.

 

[centurymaker]

I wouldn't say the difference between Steyn and Anderson just now is particularly big. Steyn's the better bowler on account of performing at a higher level for longer. The difference in performance between the two in the last 2 years is fairly negligible.

steyn's run through the indian side a few times in india as well.
until anderson does something similar against india/sl in asia, there's no way i'd rate him alonside steyn.

and iirc anderson didn't do well in SA either...

 

[Furball]

Yeah, but you rate them closer than almost everyone else. When the debate is over whether Steyn is miles better than Anderson or Steyn is a bit better than Anderson, they're not close.

Who's the better batsman out of deVilliers or Pietersen at this point in time?

 

[Athlai]

I'm not exactly a Steyn fan but he is head and shoulders above everyone else in the world right now.

 

[centurymaker]

I only brought that up because you were acting as if the South African pitches were directly comparable to those in England.

you get similar sort of totals in eng and sa.

 

[Cevno]

Zaheer at least bowled in the first Test; it's utter nonsense to suggest India were less affected by injury in South Africa.

How so?

India had atleast full 4 bowlers in the first test in the SA series. While in this match had 3 after the first session. I would take Unadkat versus no Unadkat and one bowler less tbh.

Then Sehwag is missing compared to then plus Sachin had fever in both innings and Gambhir was injured in the second innings.

 

[centurymaker]

Trott, Cook, Prior and Broad all hit tons.

i bet you wouldn't want to disclose their series avgs.

 

[Uppercut]

Who's the better batsman out of deVilliers or Pietersen at this point in time?

I'd probably still take De Villiers. I don't think KP is quite at his best, which is really what made his double all the more impressive.

 

[Furball]

steyn's run through the indian side a few times in india as well.
until anderson does something similar against india/sl in asia, there's no way i'd rate him alonside steyn.

and iirc anderson didn't do well in SA either...

Anderson did it in 2006, something that's very conveniently forgotten.

Any reason we're ignoring Anderson's series in Australia, the best by a visiting quick to Australia since Ambrose in 1992?

Anderson had a good series in South Africa. He had one awful test which skews his figures badly - keeping up a high level of performance over 4 or 5 Tests is a lot harder than doing it over 3.

If we're bringing up Anderson's record in Asia (funny how it's always Asia and not India) then I'll just bring up Steyn's poor record in England.

 

[Uppercut]

you get similar sort of totals in eng and sa.

Hahaha no you don't

 

[centurymaker]

Anderson did it in 2006, something that's very conveniently forgotten.

Any reason we're ignoring Anderson's series in Australia, the best by a visiting quick to Australia since Ambrose in 1992?

Anderson had a good series in South Africa. He had one awful test which skews his figures badly - keeping up a high level of performance over 4 or 5 Tests is a lot harder than doing it over 3.

If we're bringing up Anderson's record in Asia (funny how it's always Asia and not India) then I'll just bring up Steyn's poor record in England.

i thought we were only looking at stats from the last two years!!!

btw steyn had a good series in aus too a few years ago,
took 18 wickets in just 3 games.

when did anderson run through india in india? never iirc

 

[Furball]

i thought we were only looking at stats from the last two years!!!

btw steyn had a good series in aus too a few years ago,
took 18 wickets in just 3 games.

when did anderson run through india in india? never iirc

Mumbai 2006.

 

[Uppercut]

Anderson had a good series in South Africa. He had one awful test which skews his figures badly - keeping up a high level of performance over 4 or 5 Tests is a lot harder than doing it over 3.

Steyn had one bad test too and it didn't exactly harm his figures.

 

[centurymaker]

Hahaha no you don't

maximum difference of 10% in scores by the home side? won't be more than that for sure.

got it-

last two years-

Team records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

last four years-
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=1;team=3;template=results;type=team

no difference basically.

 

[Cevno]

We were talking about performances over the last year or so. If you think the pitches are massively relevant, to the extent that a home summer where a bowler averaging 17 isn't impressive, you have to admit either:

1. England's batting over the same period has been nothing short of amazing

or

2. Anderson's bowling on other pitches in the last 18 months deserves mountains of extra credit.

But no. Apparently there is always an excuse no matter whether it's batting or bowling, flat pitches or seaming pitches, good opposition or compromised, just to find a reason to avoid admitting England have been good.

Who's denying that England have been good? But there is a difference between being good yourselves and being Vastly superior to another very good bowling attack. Don't need to play the others down to be good yourself tbh.
Same issues can be raised about people calling Indian attack barring Zaheer Crap and then wrt to Zak and the batting lineup.

Also we were talking about one series here wrt to Pakistan where you made this point, I'll happily admit Trott was very good that series against and Prior was good too.

But now throwing your own logic at you, will you considering all the rest of the batsman averaged 30 or less in that series admit they were real crap or that the bowlers deserved bit less credit now?

 

[centurymaker]

Mumbai 2006.

3rd Test: India v England at Mumbai, Mar 18-22, 2006 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
6 wickets in the match
he did alright (picked up mostly tailenders or injured batsmen), didn't run though the line-up tbh


overall avg in the last 4 years

33 in eng

32 in sa