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Geoffrey Boycott: ICC's Dream XI is a joke - it has no credibility

BlazeDragon

BlazeDragon

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centurymaker said:
If you look at the stats of any decent batsman, you'll find that he has at least once benefitted from facing a weak attack.

going from 89 to 99 is only about a 10% increase...
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True. My money is on him averaging high 70's to mid 80's if faced a lot of strong attacks.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

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I reckon he would've averaged 130.

Incidentally I think Mathew Sinclair would've averaged 76.23 if he played in the 1970s. Second best batsman of all time.
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
In other news

If my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle
If I had never spent any of my wages ever I'd be filthy ****ing rich
If Britain had never invaded India...

I could go on all day
 
marc71178

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
centurymaker said:
nah greg chappell is pure!! he wouldn't have just quit because he wanted to finish with a high avg (despite only just turning 35 at that time, and there being no decent replacement for him in aus), he's not the guy who told his brother to bowl under-arm...

you wont find a more cunning person

edit even if this actually wasn't true, it (premature retirement) still helped his avg and that should be taken into account when people rate him.
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Funnily enough when he retired he actually said to the press:

Greg Chappell said:
If you're playing for records then you shouldn't be playing, catches and runs are not that important."
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centurymaker

centurymaker

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marc71178 said:
Funnily enough when he retired he actually said to the press:
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it's a double edged sword in a way- if you retire too early, you are playing for your avg. If you retire too late, you're playing for records

he probably wanted to go out on a high, which implies finishing with a high avg.
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

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Howe_zat said:
An average is a measurement, not an achievement in itself. Really shouldn't have to state that.
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yeah
how do we compare players? first thing we do is look at their avg!
although he didn't break records, he surely did his reputation no harm by not playing on, and therefore not finishing with a lower avg like viv, gavaskar...
 
GIMH

GIMH

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The first thing I do when comparing players is think about who I rate higher. Not look at their average.

Of course average is useful to a point, but not like you say
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

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GeraintIsMyHero said:
The first thing I do when comparing players is think about who I rate higher. Not look at their average.

Of course average is useful to a point, but not like you say
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yeah your perception of that player plays a big role too

but if a great retires early, he's bound to have played fewer bad innings, so that might effect your perception.

the bad last phase of a great's career could cloud your judgement
 
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PhoenixFire

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Sanz said:
I am sorry but that is anecdotal evidence at best and IMO a cop out. When selecting a cricket team, the preference is to select the strongest team and as a wicketkeeper Gilchrist offers way more to the team than Alan Knott.
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Umm, well of course it's going to be anecdotal. It's the best XI Boycott thinks there is and if he saw both of them play and thought that Knott was a better keeper, who are you to say he shouldn't do it? At least he's one of the few(ish) people who's actually seen both of them play...
 
Sanz

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centurymaker said:
he avg'd 40 odd in his last year. did well in his last test though iirc. (given that aus barely had an adequate replacement for him at that time, i see his decision to retire as pretty selfish)
viv avg'd 40 something in the 2nd half of his career iirc, so if he had done what chappell did, he would've finished with a much higher avg...and therefore almost everyone would've rated him higher than chappell. However, since he didn't do that, a number of people rate him lower than chappell.

yes chappell was awesome but longetivty for an ATG is a crucial factor imo. (there's little in the stats to seperate them)



see if dravid had retired in 2007/08 when was 35/36, he would've finished with an avg of something like 56/57 and i'm pretty sure people would've rated him ALOT higher because of that!!!
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I am not sure how to take such posts, as a cricket fan and fan of Chappell , the batsman, I clearly find it offending and insulting at such ignorant comments.


Chappell's average in his last year was 182. He was player of the match in that test match and he almost outscored the entire top order combined of not only his own team but also the opposition. And 87 Tests isn't long enough (100+ if you count WSC stats) ?
Also how is it selfish when a player is retiring @ 35 ?
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

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Sanz said:
I am not sure how to take such posts, as a cricket fan and fan of Chappell , the batsman, I clearly find it offending and insulting at such ignorant comments.


Chappell's average in his last year was 182. He was player of the match in that test match and he almost outscored the entire top order combined of not only his own team but also the opposition. And 87 Tests isn't long enough (100+ if you count WSC stats) ?
Also how is it selfish when a player is retiring @ 35 ?
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read all the other posts, if you can be bothered, to get the point i was trying to make.

viv also played in that league, so his number of tests go up too. In comparison to his nearest rivals, he played fewer games.
 
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