Geoffrey Boycott: ICC's Dream XI is a joke - it has no credibility

[The Sean]

What was Bradman's team?

IIRC:

B Richards
Morris
Bradman
Tendulkar
Sobers
Tallon
Lindwall
Lillee
Bedser
Grimmett
O'Reilly

Hammond (12th Man)

Longest. Tail. Ever.

 

[vcs]

Not a bad team. Bedser seems like a bit of an "ego pick", though. Seems to like his spinners as well.

 

[hang on]

why is bedser an ego pick, vcs? got him out the most times with jaffas.

what surprised me about the team is the absence of any of the hutton, hobbs or sutcliffe in the opening slots. given he'd seen them all and played against them, why didn't he hold them in the same sort of regard that others did?

 

[vcs]

why is bedser an ego pick? got him out the most times with jaffas.

No, kind of in the sense that "he was good enough to get me out a number of times, so he gets in". Could have gone for other fast bowlers with better records than him. Spinners, I can understand, Murali wasn't a great force then, and you could argue that Warne hadn't been around long enough.

 

[hang on]

No, kind of in the sense that "he was good enough to get me out a number of times, so he gets in". Could have gone for other fast bowlers with better records than him. Spinners, I can understand, Murali wasn't a great force then, and you could argue that Warne hadn't been around long enough.

i see. if anyone can say if he was good enough to get me.......! or he bats like i did.......!

 

[Bun]

not sure right place, but if I wanted to submit an article, what r the procedures I shud follow here?

 

[Burgey]

not sure right place, but if I wanted to submit an article, what r the procedures I shud follow here?

Apply to be a staff member.

 

[centurymaker]

Chappell didn't tour a couple of times late in his career due to various reasons. However, it should also be remembered that he played 3 "Tests" for Australia against RoW in 71/72, and then also played 15 WSC SuperTests, so even with those late-career tours missed he played 105 Internationals for Australia. To say that he retired at "only" 35 to protect his average seems to be a case of trying to find a reason to bag him - particularly given that he was still batting superbly when he called it a day.

he avg'd 40 odd in his last year. did well in his last test though iirc. (given that aus barely had an adequate replacement for him at that time, i see his decision to retire as pretty selfish)
viv avg'd 40 something in the 2nd half of his career iirc, so if he had done what chappell did, he would've finished with a much higher avg...and therefore almost everyone would've rated him higher than chappell. However, since he didn't do that, a number of people rate him lower than chappell.

yes chappell was awesome but longetivty for an ATG is a crucial factor imo. (there's little in the stats to seperate them)



see if dravid had retired in 2007/08 when was 35/36, he would've finished with an avg of something like 56/57 and i'm pretty sure people would've rated him ALOT higher because of that!!!

 

[marc71178]

Funnily enough, I doubt Chappell based his decision on when to retire on what some stats-obsessed people would think of him 30 years in the future, especially when you consider he was 35 and had played a lot of cricket in his career (over 5 years of on field time)

 

[The Sean]

viv avg'd 40 something in the 2nd half of his career iirc, so if he had done what chappell did, he would've finished with a much higher avg...and therefore almost everyone would've rated him higher than chappell. However, since he didn't do that, a number of people rate him lower than chappell.

The overwhelming majority of people do rate Viv higher than Chappell.

Funnily enough, I doubt Chappell based his decision on when to retire on what some stats-obsessed people would think of him 30 years in the future, especially when you consider he was 35 and had played a lot of cricket in his career (over 5 years of on field time)

Yep, this.

 

[BlazeDragon]

I'm not sure how you've come to this conclusion though. Bradman pretty much averaged 100 for his whole career of 20 years

In 52 games. We have all seen it, the more you play the more bad innings you add to your name. I would still say he would average in the 80's or at least 70's though.

 

[BlazeDragon]

I gotta go to work soon so I don't have time right now to look it up for you, but doesn't logic suggest that if test matches weren't being played the highest form of cricket would be First Class?

It's not often mentioned outside this forum because like I said before, the importance of first class cricket is all but forgotten so it doesn't figure with casual spectators

So that's it just because they played more? Players play more ODI games than they do Tests. Would you really put more weight on ODIs than Tests?

Lets look at this he averaged 89.98 against the good team (England) in test cricket and averaged 95 in first class cricket. Doesn't that suggest something itself?

 

[weldone]

what surprised me about the team is the absence of any of the hutton, hobbs or sutcliffe in the opening slots. given he'd seen them all and played against them, why didn't he hold them in the same sort of regard that others did?

More so in case of Hobbs, because he once said that Hobbs was his childhood hero as a batsman...

 

[centurymaker]

The overwhelming majority of people do rate Viv higher than Chappell.



Yep, this.

you guys don't know the chappell mentality do you?
after the 2009 ashes defeat, ian chappell wrote an article saying that Ponting should just retire with his average still up high, even though he was only 34 and a half at the time...

and greg chappell is only worse ....

 

[marc71178]

Lets look at this he averaged 89.98 against the good team (England) in test cricket and averaged 95 in first class cricket. Doesn't that suggest something itself?

Yes, that he was ****ing good, better than anyone else before or since.

 

[BlazeDragon]

Yes, that he was ****ing good, better than anyone else before or since.

Nobody here is arguing with that.

 

[weldone]

Lets look at this he averaged 89.98 against the good team (England) in test cricket and averaged 95 in first class cricket. Doesn't that suggest something itself?

Yes, that he was ****ing good, better than anyone else before or since.

Nobody here is arguing with that.

OK, let me have a go now sir.

England test team had a bowling attack better than the average attack faced by Bradman at First Class level.

 

[marc71178]

you guys don't know the chappell mentality do you?
after the 2009 ashes defeat, ian chappell wrote an article saying that Ponting should just retire with his average still up high, even though he was only 34 and a half at the time...

and greg chappell is only worse ....

Great logic there.

 

[centurymaker]

If you look at the stats of any decent batsman, you'll find that he has at least once benefitted from facing a weak attack.

going from 89 to 99 is only about a 10% increase...

 

[centurymaker]

Great logic there.

nah greg chappell is pure!! he wouldn't have just quit because he wanted to finish with a high avg (despite only just turning 35 at that time, and there being no decent replacement for him in aus), he's not the guy who told his brother to bowl under-arm...

you wont find a more cunning person

edit even if this actually wasn't true, it (premature retirement) still helped his avg and that should be taken into account when people rate him.