Geoffrey Boycott: ICC's Dream XI is a joke - it has no credibility

[BlazeDragon]

You imply he wouldn't if he played as many matches as they play today. Which is as much a part of today's generation as anything else.

Yeah I am saying if he is his era played as many matches as people do today I don't think he would average in the 90's but would still be higher than eveybody else. How do you get today's generation out of that. I am not saying if he played in 2011 I am talking about his OWN genertation.

Geez, how many times do I have to post the same old thing.

 

[Burgey]

Yea chappell ahead of Tendulkar is certainly a valid choice if you want to go that route.

I'm not saying I necessarily would, but it's not ridiculous.

Selecting Kapil Dev over Imran, Botham or even Keith Miller plainly is.

 

[vcs]

So that directly implies you think he wouldn't average in the nineties if he played in this generation, because they do play a lot more matches in this generation. Glad we got that sorted.

Unless you think he wouldn't average in the 90s if he played a lot more matches in his own generation, but would if he played those matches in this generation.

 

[BlazeDragon]

So that directly implies you think he wouldn't average in the nineties if he played in this generation, because they do play a lot more matches in this generation. Glad we got that sorted.

Unless you think he wouldn't average in the 90s if he played a lot more matches in his own generation, but would if he played those matches in this generation.

Why not? First Class was of more importance and often a better indicator. There's no valid reasons to suggest Bradman would have averaged lower today.

lol only 90....Bearing in mind he averages 112 if you exclude the bodyline series

Yes it does but GotSpin's post like I bolded there is saying that I suggested Bradman won't average in the 90's only if he played in today's era which is not what I said at all. Which is pretty much the whole thing I was trying to argue about that I never said that at all.

 

[silentstriker]

I'm not saying I necessarily would, but it's not ridiculous.

Selecting Kapil Dev over Imran, Botham or even Keith Miller plainly is.

Up until Sachin found his second wind, I had Chappel over him in my all time XI. Even now it's close and I could pick either- he was a fantastic batsmen...second best Australian batsman after Bradman, probably by a bit IMO.

Bradman > Chappell > Waugh/Ponting/Border

 

[Athlai]

Bradman > Chappell > Waugh/Ponting/Border

^ Yeah agree with that order.

 

[Burgey]

I don't disagree with it either.

 

[benchmark00]

Ponting > Waugh for mine, but only just. My love for Waugh is ever lasting though.

 

[GotSpin]

Yeah I am saying if he is his era played as many matches as people do today I don't think he would average in the 90's but would still be higher than eveybody else. How do you get today's generation out of that. I am not saying if he played in 2011 I am talking about his OWN genertation.

Geez, how many times do I have to post the same old thing.

I'm not sure how you've come to this conclusion though. Bradman pretty much averaged 100 for his whole career of 20 years

 

[GotSpin]

Your have proof to back that up? Because from what I have seen its Bradman's 99.94 in test matches that people brag about and talk about. I have barely seen people outside of this forum page even mention his first class average of 95. A whole bunch of people including Aussies don't even know about it.

I gotta go to work soon so I don't have time right now to look it up for you, but doesn't logic suggest that if test matches weren't being played the highest form of cricket would be First Class?

It's not often mentioned outside this forum because like I said before, the importance of first class cricket is all but forgotten so it doesn't figure with casual spectators

 

[Burgey]

Ponting > Waugh for mine, but only just. My love for Waugh is ever lasting though.

Yeah that's probably right tbf.

Mind you, I have a massive AB crush.


Edit: An AB crush being like an ab crunch, only less painful.

For me anyway.

 

[Howe_zat]

I don't think Bradman would average in the 90s if he had to wear a duck suit.

 

[GIMH]

If Bradman played a greater variety of teams, he'd probably average more. Would be interesting to see how batsmen today fared if they only played against two of the top three top sides.

Or one of the top two, and another sort of middling side?

 

[centurymaker]

Up until Sachin found his second wind, I had Chappel over him in my all time XI. Even now it's close and I could pick either- he was a fantastic batsmen...second best Australian batsman after Bradman, probably by a bit IMO.

just found out that he retired at the age of just 35 - maybe tried to protect his avg?



well
gavaskar and viv richards played 125 and 121 tests respectively, while chappell played just 87 (test career spanning only 13 years for an ATG) hmmm......


my rating has come down for him quite a bit.

1. bradman
2. waugh
3. ponting/ chappell
5. border

 

[centurymaker]

wow take a look at waugh's away avgs

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

home 47
away 55

WAG

 

[smash84]

I would take Kapil, purely because my preference for a number 8 batsman would be for him to be an aggressive gamebreaker capable of smashing a dejected attack out of the game or launching aggressive counter attacks.

Then you would lose out significantly on the bowling. What bowlers will you have?

 

[zaremba]

If you select your team on the basis of an Internet vote it's hardly surprising that there will be a bias towards modern players and towards heroes from the country with the most fans likely to vote.

Better team than Bradman's though

 

[smash84]

haha yeah.but Bradman's team seemed such a farce given that it came out after his death IIRC....cbf on it though

 

[vcs]

What was Bradman's team?

 

[The Sean]

just found out that he retired at the age of just 35 - maybe tried to protect his avg?

well
gavaskar and viv richards played 125 and 121 tests respectively, while chappell played just 87 (test career spanning only 13 years for an ATG) hmmm......

my rating has come down for him quite a bit.

1. bradman
2. waugh
3. ponting/ chappell
5. border

Chappell didn't tour a couple of times late in his career due to various reasons. However, it should also be remembered that he played 3 "Tests" for Australia against RoW in 71/72, and then also played 15 WSC SuperTests, so even with those late-career tours missed he played 105 Internationals for Australia. To say that he retired at "only" 35 to protect his average seems to be a case of trying to find a reason to bag him - particularly given that he was still batting superbly when he called it a day.