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Not Enough Pace for this Level
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Cevno
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marc71178
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I knew it was bad but had forgotten how bad it was, even worse than Kallis in terms of the differential and that takes some doing.
chicane
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He only got that bad in ODIs around '06 when he lost his swing and about 10kph, and was quickly dropped.So are you saying he was Gash and got tonked in all matches and series?
I think you are mixing up performances with the white ball maybe.
Like vcs said he was not slow when he debuted (135-145) and for a few years after, and during that time he bowled reasonably in both tests and ODIs (Pak and Aus home and away). Lost his test form for a bit after (except against Zim/Bang) but remained decent in ODIs, before that massive decline.
Anyway, I believe he will come back. -)
Cevno
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Yeah i agree too. Though can't ever remember him being 135 to 145 k consistently or for the matter even reaching 145 in any match.
He was about 80 miles per hour on average from the start.
He became gash in ODI's first because of playing too many and being smacked around concentrating on pitch it up swing bowling on flat wickets.
Still had utitilty value in tests though and became a bit wayward there too because he was concentrating on his batting,striving for extra pace and then lost his confidence with ODI cricket.
Same happened with Ishant too recently due to playing too many ODI's and now when he was dropped from the ODI team for a while seems to have bounced back in tests too.
Pathan for all his faults still manages to average less with the ball and more with the bat comfortably than say Lady Broad for example and could still have utility value in tests.
Infact i thought he was a wildcard who could have been selected for the England tour too.
He was about 80 miles per hour on average from the start.
He became gash in ODI's first because of playing too many and being smacked around concentrating on pitch it up swing bowling on flat wickets.
Still had utitilty value in tests though and became a bit wayward there too because he was concentrating on his batting,striving for extra pace and then lost his confidence with ODI cricket.
Same happened with Ishant too recently due to playing too many ODI's and now when he was dropped from the ODI team for a while seems to have bounced back in tests too.
Pathan for all his faults still manages to average less with the ball and more with the bat comfortably than say Lady Broad for example and could still have utility value in tests.
Infact i thought he was a wildcard who could have been selected for the England tour too.
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chicane
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I think he will only be able to come back to the test side if he is good enough to be the 3rd seamer, and I have hope he will rediscover his swing and nip. If he does, he will be awesome for us. Still not convinced he's ready though. Only briefly saw him bowling in the IPL but he was bowling straight unthreatening stuff.
vcs
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Yeah, that is how I remember it too. Remember him beating Gilchrist with a yorker on debut, must have had reasonable pace to do that.
It was amazing to beat Pakistan away from home around that time with the likes of Pathan, Balaji, Nehra etc.
I agree that Ishant should not be played in ODIs at this stage of his career. He sucks at them, and it will only mess with his confidence for Tests.
Cevno
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He was coming back from a more than year long break from any FC/List A cricket so was rusty at the start.
But by the end seemed to have gotten his swing and nip back and was troubling everyone at the start and even troubled Sachin a lot in one match and got him bowled trying to attack him with the indipper IIRC.
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vcs
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You played into our hands by preparing roads in that series, and scoreboard pressure and Kumble on wearing wickets did the rest.that was such a low
chicane
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Yeah that yorker was amazing! Immediately those tiresome Wasim comparisons began.Yeah, that is how I remember it too. Remember him beating Gilchrist with a yorker on debut, must have had reasonable pace to do that.
It was amazing to beat Pakistan away from home around that time with the likes of Pathan, Balaji, Nehra etc.
I agree that Ishant should not be played in ODIs at this stage of his career. He sucks at them, and it will only mess with his confidence for Tests.
And hey, that attack may look like a joke now but they Irfan and Balaji bowled well!
Cevno
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Pretty sure he beat Gilchrist with the accuracy and reverse swing into him ,more than pace.
He actualy gained a bit of pace after that even but except one or 2 instances was never more than 80 miles per hour on average.
Yeah,true.
That was some series. Pathan even did well with the bat against them ,and Sehwag slaughtered everyone.
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chicane
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That's great!
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
I know you guys suck big time at producing quality fast bowlers but when you're pushing for a seamer who bowls slower than a part-time SLA to make the squad, then things must be even worse than I thought