Daryl Harper withdraws from Dominica test

[Cevno]

The thing is SS, as someone who is more outspoken against the BCCI than most, my post won't mean a lot to you. In recent weeks though, a significant number of India fans have taken any anti-BCCI stance very personally.

The fact that Cevno, with all due respect, tried to use comments by someone from the ECB to prove me as some sort of hypocrite, is quite suggestive of his, and others like him, thought process.

That's not a dig on Cevno, just how I see it based on his posting on these topics. And tbf to him, he isn't the only one.

Because you were defending those comments at the time and also comments from Flower.
But it was a way lesser comment from Dhoni that you got all upset about here. If Shashank Manohar comes out and implies Harper is deaf and dumb all hell will brake loose here ... and you will be leading the charge no doubt.

And at the same times you were calling Harper all kind of things when and laughing when he was called a clown etc and hinting that it was him versus the Rain (not south Africa)... but if we do the same with Chris Broad or Steve Bucknor the same people time and again give a or post "yeah right! Everyone is against you" pictures.
And the best part is after claiming this they have a cheek to complain that BCCI runs everything and gets away with everything and is out to get everyone.

If you can't see the hypocrisy in this all then well it is of no use.

Haha yeah, I find that the funniest thing

The saddest thing about this argument is that if the BCCI came out next week and supported DRS with all of its elements there'd be no discussion

Not really. BCCI's objection became clear this week only ,while i have been arguing about Ball tracking and it's accuracy for way more than a year now.
At the same time criticising BCCI stooges for not agreeing to UDRS in general.

This my or the highway attitude is really bad is as Joe said Like George Bush,and smacks of either you are with us or against us.

And arguing a issue which BCCI is supporting does not imply supporting the BCCI. It's all about expressing your viewpoint.

Dig out some of my posts about N.Srinivasan and Shashank Manohar and you will find out.

The whole you take criticism personally thing and claim racism argument is Ignorant(maybe stereotyped) and stupid and disgusting because no on has ever done that. And same people doing it again and again with posts filled with ****** and abuse about a whole group of people that says more about them than anyone else.

 

[zaremba]

I'm telling you - a lot of it is simply being the best and being not. It colors people's perceptions quite a bit. Ponting has ALWAYS been humble after a loss - I can't remember a single time of him being not. But people like the hard nosed leader of a struggling team (oh he is giving it all to improve his team) a lot more than a hard nosed leader of a dominant team(eg he is arrogant).

I suppose the biggest factor is that he has had more opportunities to be humble following losses than he did when Australia were winning all the time.

The problem is largely with how people behave when they win as much as how they behave when they lose. Australia's approach basically seemed to involve seeking to humiliate their opposition ("mental disintegration" - yawn) which was deeply unattractive.

Speaking for myself, this Indian team is quite a likeable one and I bear not the slightest ill-will towards it. Yes, Ishant needs a haircut; yes, Sreesanth is an oddball; and so on. But as a team there's a lot to like.

 

[Bun]

yeah it's jarring to see everytime anyone posts something remotedly favorable to bcci or india, it is clamped and put in the 'you are racists outcry' bucket.

please keep the racist card out of this. nobody except the yutube morons are playing it.

 

[vcs]

Cevno, I get what you are saying and I don't agree with the claiming racism thing either, but I don't think bumping two year old comments proves anything because a.) the situation was completely different and UDRS was in its infancy and b.) people's viewpoints can change in that timeframe.

What I find hard to understand is how GIMH reconciles his dislike for players showing disrespect to umpires with his love for Stuart Broad.

 

[Teja.]

Could be. This is his original account.
My bat is on fire's Activity - Yahoo! Answers

Yahoo answers is filled with trolls anyways. Just go take a peak at the cricket section you will get a headache. That place desperately needs a moderator.

Yahoo answers is gun.

 

[GIMH]

I cbf to go back and quote people, but, vcs is on the money with the multiple reasons why Cevno using those quotes was wrong. I actually specifically said that I might have supported Giles Clarke's comments at the time but I don't now.

It's also quite sad that you went trawling through a thread I doubt you even posted in at the time to try and dig up some dirt on me. And most of my tour thread posts are completely facile anyway, I'd be the first to admit this , I even used a after my Harper V Rain emoticon to denote that, you know, I wasn't ****ing serious. Honestly.

To answer vcs, Stuart Broad does act like a dick on the field at times, and I don't think I've ever denied this. He sulks at Strauss if he doesn't give him a review. What he doesn't do, is say, "we shouldn't have UDRS" and then go off on Strauss for not giving him a review when there aren't any because we're not using them.

And yeah, he needs to appeal properly etc. No problem with acknowledging he needs to fix these things. And as T20 captain, I will be holding him to a higher standard.

If you're captain of the world's top ranked side (not for long, but) then you should be mindful of what you say. End of.

 

[weldone]

IMO there's nothing wrong in what Dhoni said. Discuss.

It's hard cold fact that he has stated, without using an insulting word to anybody...and has done so after the end of the game which shows maturity.

And it's very illogical to say that because he doesn't support UDRS he can't say anything against any umpire. I don't support king's rule, does that mean I can't criticise a democratically elected president?

Dhoni's comment was indeed graceful.

 

[GIMH]

I've discussed it plenty. You're wrong. End of.

 

[weldone]

So what should have been his reply when asked about the umpiring? Should he have said that Daryl Harper's umpiring in that test was the best umpiring seen in the history of the game? When asked a question, a smart person like Dhoni is expected to come with an honest reply which he did, without using any derogatory language and without insulting anyone...'honest' is the key word here. It's a great quality to say what you think without insulting anyone.

You are wrong and you are jealous. End of.

 

[Teja.]

I personally don't think there is any difference whatsoever between Dhoni saying what he did and a pro-UDRS captain saying it. weldone's analogy is pretty spot on. I do think he was being a bit of a **** though.

Over-****ing-reaction or what though. You'd think he murdered someone. "We'd be at the hotel by now' was what he said. Holy christ.

 

[GIMH]

I'm not ****ing jealous. ****, is that train still running? I'm really not.

Top_Cat gave a good example of how he could have answered it, something along the lines of, "I don't think it's particularly appropriate to discuss the Umpires' performances in this forum, I've given my comments to the referee" or whatever. It makes it clear he wasn't happy without being a total dick.

The hotel comment was classless. Sort of thing you expect from a Premier League footballer. India's cricketers really are the nouveau riche of cricket. What an absolute wanker Dhoni is.

 

[GIMH]

I personally don't think there is any difference whatsoever between Dhoni saying what he did and a pro-UDRS captain saying it.

How is it not different? He has refused a solution to the very problem he is complaining about.

 

[weldone]

Top_Cat gave a good example of how he could have answered it, something along the lines of, "I don't think it's particularly appropriate to discuss the Umpires' performances in this forum, I've given my comments to the referee" or whatever. It makes it clear he wasn't happy without being a total dick.

Not at all. That would be the answer given by a bot, or a trying-to-be-politically-correct-president.

Dhoni used to drive across the point with an added humor, or you can say a mild harmless sarcasm...but insult it was not.

If, for example, Ponting (when his team was in the prime) said the same thing after a match against India I would've sworn against him, I might've wanted to see his team go to hotel fast after losing the second test, but I would NEVER have cried foul about insulting the umpire or insulting the institution of the game or something. There's a sporting fun inherent in the comment, but NO insult against the umpire or against the game of cricket. These comments keep the game interesting, and the rivalries memorable.

Of course, had he behaved indecently with the umpire inside the ground during the match my reaction would've been different.

 

[weldone]

How is it not different? He has refused a solution to the very problem he is complaining about.

Why don't you get it?

Answer my simple question. If you choose system A over system B does that mean that you're implying that system A is flawless? Yes? Or, no?

 

[Daemon]

1) The point Dhoni was making in his comment that Harper is **** was completely valid.
2) Since Dhoni opted to not take the UDRS, he can and should blame himself as well, however this does not mean that the umpire is immune to criticism.
3) They way he phrased his outburst was ****.
4) He's India's Captain and needs to show some class.
5) It doesn't matter what comments players or officials have made in the past and got away with, **** comment = **** comment.

 

[Teja.]

Why don't you get it?

Answer my simple question. If you choose system A over system B does that mean that you're implying that system A is flawless? Yes? Or, no?

1) The point Dhoni was making in his comment that Harper is **** was completely valid.
2) Since Dhoni opted to not take the UDRS, he can and should blame himself as well, however this does not mean that the umpire is immune to criticism.

AWTA

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[zaremba]

Struggling to believe that people are actually sticking up for Dhoni on this. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's guilty of a hanging offence, but let's not try to suggest he was somehow justified.

Of course he shouldn't have said it in that forum or in that way.

And of course it makes it worse if he had rejected the solution to the very problem he was bitching about.

 

[Sanz]

Do Players complain when they get a wrong one in their favor ? Not really, they just say that it is part of the game then why complain when they get one against them ?

Indian Players have truly become the new Australia in terms of bad behavior and it is sad. Infact it is much worse when Umpires decide to sit out a game or quit because he feels harassed and bullied. Bucknor, Hair and Harper...the list goes on.

 

[Top_Cat]

1) The point Dhoni was making in his comment that Harper is **** was completely valid.

Yeah see, I certainly would have agreed with you but then someone posted stats about his % decisions correct and it was well above average so that really can't be right.

I've had him as an umpire a few times and what I remember is that, as I think I said earlier, whilst he was generally fine, occasionally he'd fire out someone with an absolute shocker.

 

[Daemon]

Yeah see, I certainly would have agreed with you but then someone posted stats about his % decisions correct and it was well above average so that really can't be right.

I've had him as an umpire a few times and what I remember is that, as I think I said earlier, whilst he was generally fine, occasionally he'd fire out someone with an absolute shocker.

I don't know about the stats, but those for umpires based on % correct decisions would be a bit hard to interpret. Super obvious edges help bloat that stat and one umpire might get more than another for example.

Regardless, change the 'is ****' to 'was **** in that game'. So what I'm basically saying, is that Dhoni is right about the fact that Harper was bad, but the fact he didn't take UDRS didn't help the situation and finally he made a comment that should not have come from an international cricketer.

There is basically nothing more to it imo. It's as simple as that.