Daryl Harper withdraws from Dominica test

[silentstriker]

Haha what a wanker. But I'm fine with him defending himself.

 

[GIMH]

Why don't you get it?

Answer my simple question. If you choose system A over system B does that mean that you're implying that system A is flawless? Yes? Or, no?

No, don't try and patronise me, it's you who doesn't get it. Prince EWS does though...

It does if your only argument against System B is that it's not flawless.

 

[GIMH]

Am I missing something? Why are people saying let's play the bold and enlarge game now?

Anyway. I wonder if India's belief that certain Umpires and Match Referees have it in for them will become a self-fulfilling prophecy? I hope so.

 

[silentstriker]

Am I missing something? Why are people saying let's play the bold and enlarge game now?

Anyway. I wonder if India's belief that certain Umpires and Match Referees have it in for them will become a self-fulfilling prophecy? I hope so.

Really? Can you show me where the BCCI or Dhoni said or even implied this against Harper?

 

[silentstriker]

Also, if it does become a 'self fulfilling prophecy' in terms of umps vs. the BCCI, I'd bet the umpires aren't going to fare all that well in that battle. I'd love to see that too truthfully, just to see the permanent and massive smack-down that will ensue on the umpires. Maybe after that we'll finally stop coddling the umpires once and for all.

Not that it's going to happen. Outside of fantasy land, the BCCI will not make a habit of accusing umpires of bias and umpires will not form some sort of uber-conspiracy against the BCCI in return.

 

[GIMH]

Really? Can you show me where the BCCI or Dhoni said or even implied this against Harper?

India fans have been implying it for years, at least since Sydneygate, and I've read many people claiming it that be a culmination of years of malice from Bucknor.

In this thread I have read posters implying Chris Broad doesn't treat them fairly.

I didn't say BCCI or Dhoni, I said India. Big country.

 

[GotSpin]

Wasn't there a post ages ago outlining Bucknor's supposed historical bias against India?

 

[Cevno]

India fans have been implying it for years, at least since Sydneygate, and I've read many people claiming it that be a culmination of years of malice from Bucknor.

In this thread I have read posters implying Chris Broad doesn't treat them fairly.

I didn't say BCCI or Dhoni, I said India. Big country.

I wouldn't have a problem if any of you lot came out and criticised the umpiring btw. Which is why you quoting me shouting at umpires is irrelevant. ****'s sake.

Or do you want me to repost your and other's quotes about Harper from the England - South Africa series ?

Hypocrisy defined.

 

[silentstriker]

India fans have been implying it for years, at least since Sydneygate, and I've read many people claiming it that be a culmination of years of malice from Bucknor.
Bucknor was one instance, one (or even two or three) does not a conspiracy make. We're talking about Harper here, or any of the current umpires.


In this thread I have read posters implying Chris Broad doesn't treat them fairly.

I didn't say BCCI or Dhoni, I said India. Big country.

We're not talking about Bucknor, we're talking about any of the current umpires - accusing one of something, even if it happened, is quite different from some form of continuous accusations of bias. n=1 or 2 does not a conspiracy make.

But you said 'India's belief', but you don't mean any of their official representatives? Not the BCCI? Dhoni? Someone else in the Indian team?

You don't mean the reporters? I don't see any journalists saying that either.

But you mean the the fans? It is a big country, you can certainly find pockets of people who'll say or believe anything. Which fans? Not me, and not many others who follow India on this forum don't either. Do you just mean maybe the three who are posting in this thread? If you mean that, call them out by name, and argue against their personal opinions. Or do you mean the YouTube commentators? It's like me saying 'English fans' and pointing to the BNP/white nationalist morons who show up at football games to recruit.

In my opinion, you do your argument a great disservice by broad stereotyping like that.

Anyway, I'm out of this thread, that was just my two cents.

 

[Borges]

we're not talking about bucknor, we're talking about any of the current umpires - accusing one of something, even if it happened, is quite different from some form of continuous accusations of bias. N=1 or 2 does not a conspiracy make.

But you said 'india's belief', but you don't mean any of their official representatives? Not the bcci? Dhoni? Someone else in the indian team?

You don't mean the reporters? I don't see any journalists saying that either.

But you mean the the fans? It is a big country, you can certainly find pockets of people who'll say or believe anything. Which fans? Not me, and not many others who follow india on this forum don't either. Do you just mean maybe the three who are posting in this thread? If you mean that, call them out by name, and argue against their personal opinions. Or do you mean the youtube commentators? It's like me saying 'english fans' and pointing to the bnp/white nationalist morons who show up at football games to recruit.

In my opinion, you do your argument a great disservice by broad stereotyping like that.

Anyway, i'm out of this thread, that was just my two cents.

+1

 

[GIMH]

Or do you want me to repost your and other's quotes about Harper from the England - South Africa series ?

Hypocrisy defined.

Yes Cevno, hypocrisy defined. Ever since that day I have done nothing but whinge about Harper and claimed he's always had it in for us. I didn't just moan at his performance on the day and move on.

I have a good memory, very good in fact. And I didn't even remember that it was Harper who was responsible for those **** ups until you brought your shovel along yesterday. But that's obviously exactly the same as me believing an official has it in for my team.

****ing hell. Words fail me at how stupid your posting about the South Africa thing has been. The fact you don't appear to have anything more recent shows you're making a pissweak argument.

We're not talking about Bucknor, we're talking about any of the current umpires - accusing one of something, even if it happened, is quite different from some form of continuous accusations of bias. n=1 or 2 does not a conspiracy make.

But you said 'India's belief', but you don't mean any of their official representatives? Not the BCCI? Dhoni? Someone else in the Indian team?

You don't mean the reporters? I don't see any journalists saying that either.

But you mean the the fans? It is a big country, you can certainly find pockets of people who'll say or believe anything. Which fans? Not me, and not many others who follow India on this forum don't either. Do you just mean maybe the three who are posting in this thread? If you mean that, call them out by name, and argue against their personal opinions. Or do you mean the YouTube commentators? It's like me saying 'English fans' and pointing to the BNP/white nationalist morons who show up at football games to recruit.

In my opinion, you do your argument a great disservice by broad stereotyping like that.

Anyway, I'm out of this thread, that was just my two cents.

Apologies if I offended you SS. The overall impression I have obtained on these forums over the past three years is that it is a majority belief amongst India supporters that Bucknor's act was not a mistake but malice. Similarly, I get the impression that most India fans believe Chris Broad to be on a mission against them and to protect his son.

Obviously this does not mean all. But then, not all England fans are pessimistic (see my title). If someone said 'England are a pessimistic bunch' I think it's still probably a reasonable comment.

Although many of my peers have caught my optimism this year. I guess that's what happens when you go win in Australia

 

[G.I.Joe]

Yeah see, I certainly would have agreed with you but then someone posted stats about his % decisions correct and it was well above average so that really can't be right.

Surely you're not buying into that lame defence? Whats the sample size for arriving at the average? The Elite Umpires panel or a pool of all umpires contracted by the ICC, which would significantly bring down the average and make Harper look better than he actually is?

And furthermore, how does the ICC reconcile this statement with the fact that prior to this incident they were anyway planning on 'retiring' Harper for reasons of unsatisfactory performance? Why plan on 'retiring' him if he was supposedly deserving of being on the Elite panel?

 

[silentstriker]

I'm not offended mate, almost nothing regarding cricket genuinely offends me. I leave that for my off topic science threads.

 

[Daemon]

Am I missing something? Why are people saying let's play the bold and enlarge game now?

Anyway. I wonder if India's belief that certain Umpires and Match Referees have it in for them will become a self-fulfilling prophecy? I hope so.

What the **** man

I said bold and enlarge this:

that would have been reversed had the Decision Review System been available

in order to illustrate the same point others did by bolding and enlarging something similar the other day.

Is there something wrong with that? Or is it that by being an Indian fan I'm automatically supposed to be against the drs? Your last statement kind of grouped all of the Indians here regardless of whether they agreed with this view or not with ****s on youtube and the like who hold the ******** belief that everyone is prejudiced against India. Sorry if I sound pissed off but yeah, I don't think you should have said that.

And GF, I still honestly don't know which part of the post earlier you disagreed with.

 

[GIMH]

Daemon, sorry mate. I thought that's what you meant til Cevno agreed with you. My bad.

 

[centurymaker]

Thankfully I've only read a few comments in this whole thread...
sick of these umpirng related discussions

 

[Cevno]

Nobody has said that Harper was biased or prejudiced against India ,ftr on here. I don't think anyone has done it sarcastically either as some English fans implied during the South Africa - England series.

Infact neither did Dhoni . Infact out of the 6 wrong decisions he is alleged to have made 3 went against each team and i have mentioned it so many times now.
And Dhoni did not mention a decision against his team or Harper for that mater.

That whole argument that someone is saying everyone is biased against India is pretty clutching at straws ,and as ******** and dumb as those saying BCCI runs everything ,India gets away with everything and is out to get everyone etc... which some people seem to think in their fantasy ****oo land.

 

[GIMH]

I don't think India are out to get everyone. I think they are only interested in themselves though, and not the sport.

You've implied other umpires and referees have it in for India, Cevno. End of.

 

[Bun]

bun u lost u ****ing idiot. might as well count the waves while reading this thrd.

 

[Cevno]

I don't think India are out to get everyone. I think they are only interested in themselves though, and not the sport.

You've implied other umpires and referees have it in for India, Cevno. End of.

Only Bucknor really and Perhaps Broad(though Broad is not near Bucknor levels and is a different case). And Bucknor and Broad are not = everyone.

They are not like 1% of the umpires or Referees out there who have officiated Indian matches.

How dare many people hold the view that less than 1% of Human being can be biased when even Judges,government etc... hell even the Pope can be prone to biasness in some instances?

Besides the comments i posted from the South Africa series showed you making similar comments towards Harper(Sarcastic or not)
There were other people doing the same too ftr.
And do not know from where you play the Racism card again and again because no one has implied that.

The Paradox in the argument is this at one moment you are accusing Indian of claiming everyone is out to get them and and play the Racial card etc... but at the same time claim that BCCI runs everything ,India gets away with everything and just ensures its own benefits(which in truth every board and even Government does). End OF.
Both are ******** arguments.