*Official* English Football Season 2010-11

[roseboy64]

Yes, indeed they are.

However, the way they have played at the season's arse-end is actually a decent cause for optimism, as is the permanent appointment of a man who enjoyed great success in his previous spell.

I'm not sure how accurate this is but I'm told only Man U have got more points than them since Dalglish took charge.

Certainly think it will be an interesting battle for a CL place next season, and probably title race.

Got this from a Liverpool fan

Team	 Won	Drawn	Lost	Points
Chelsea	 11	2	3	35
LFC	 10	3	3	33
United	 10	2	4	32
Everton	 8	5	3	29
Arsenal	 7	7	2	28
City	 8	3	5	27
Spurs 	 5	8	3	23

 

[Furball]

Shame league titles are won over 38, not 16 games.

I'd wager £100 that they pick up less than 10 points in either October or November.

 

[Furball]

Not only that attack He's been sent bombs, and today a bullet, attacked on the sideline, beaten on the street, etc. on and on, it seems.

Im not his biggest fan by any stretch, but what is happening to Lennon at the minute is shameful and an absolute disgrace.

Yes, he is a bit aggravating, but he surely doesnt deserve what he is getting based on his religion.

Scottish football needs to have a long look at itself and sort this **** out.

And this is not only for the statements he has made on referees.

There is currently zero evidence that any of this is down to his religion.

DaMarcus Beasley had his car firebombed when he was a Rangers player. I don't remember anyone linking that to the colour of his skin.

 

[Cevno]

There is currently zero evidence that any of this is down to his religion.

DaMarcus Beasley had his car firebombed when he was a Rangers player. I don't remember anyone linking that to the colour of his skin.

Neil Lennon assault proves it is time for Scots to admit scale of sectarian sickness | Mail Online

Lennon fits bill for Scotland’s hate mob - Yahoo! Eurosport UK

John Spencer on it -

Spencer: Attack on Celtic manager embarrassing for Scots | MLSsoccer.com

Yes there is perhaps no hardcore evidence right now.

But are people seriously so naive to think that he is being sent Parcel bombs,attacked on streets,attacked on the sideline ,get abuse so much that he has to cover his ears only because he criticised the referees??

 

[Furball]

Martin O'Neill didn't get the same amount of vitriol despite being Celtic manager, Northern Irish and Catholic.

I'm not denying that for some, Lennon's religion is the prime motivation for their hatred. But it's not the only reason, despite what the media up here might say.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

We won't spend as much as people think. With FFP coming up and us having to re-sign Micah, Kompany, Hart and a few others I doubt we'll buy more than a few players unless we can sell Tevez for very big money. No more than 2 or 3 big additions imo, one defender, one attacking midfielder and maybe a young forward to replace Tevez, Jo and Adebayor.

 

[Ikki]

Shame league titles are won over 38, not 16 games.

I'd wager £100 that they pick up less than 10 points in either October or November.

It's not just that it's been the form under the last 16 games but that it coincided with many first team members out in that same time (Gerrard, Agger, Johnson, Aurelio, Kelly) in what was already seen as weak squad. It's not only the results, but the performances. There are a lot of ifs and buts, however, this kind of form after the crap we were serving before is like night and day. You have to believe Dalglish/Clarke were responsible for almost all of it and if they have such control over our performances it bodes even better for next year.

I agree, though, how we start will determine whether we are genuine title challengers.

 

[GIMH]

True, but the reason they're usually optimistic is because they normally do well at the season's arse-end.

You'd be an idiot to write them off totally out of anything, and that includes winning the league, but it really is a long shot and everyone has heard all this before about 10 times over.

They've definitely got a very realistic chance of finishing in the top 4, that'll be an interesting race, because it's difficult to see which of the current top 4 would drop out. As for the 'this is our year' cries though, I'm not any more worried than I was back when they were saying that each and every summer from 05 to 09 under Benitez.

Yeah mate, all fair points. I don't think they'll win the league (well, unless the transfer market changes my perception) but I think they'll finish top 4.

 

[Uppercut]

Neil Lennon assault proves it is time for Scots to admit scale of sectarian sickness | Mail Online

Lennon fits bill for Scotland’s hate mob - Yahoo! Eurosport UK

John Spencer on it -

Spencer: Attack on Celtic manager embarrassing for Scots | MLSsoccer.com

Yes there is perhaps no hardcore evidence right now.

But are people seriously so naive to think that he is being sent Parcel bombs,attacked on streets,attacked on the sideline ,get abuse so much that he has to cover his ears only because he criticised the referees??

Lol @ referencing the Daily Mail, Eurosport and MLS Soccer as authorities in a discussion about sectarianism in Scotland.

Don't think sectarianism drives the violence anymore. Basically Celtic and Rangers fans are on another level of scum, and use a political rivalry that's now basically obsolete and irrelevant as an excuse to be even bigger ****s than they would be otherwise.

 

[Cevno]

So what will be authorities on sectarianism in Scotland if a ex-scotish player is not?

In any case whatever be the reason(though i believe this all can't be just down to criticising referees and is naive to believe so) ,this kind of hooliganism needs to be sorted out.
This selected targetting is as worse as what happens in Italy where the fans tend to fight among themselves and riot and scottish football needs to back him at this moment.

Yes,he makes it hard to like him ,but it does not excuse this kind of behaviour and is about time this sort of hooliganism gets booted out out of football.
England has largely sorted it out ,and Scotland should follow suit too ,though with the sectarian bull**** that goes on there it will be tougher.

 

[Cevno]

Btw,

Four devices, which had been sent to Lennon, leading QC McBride and former MSP Godman, were discovered in March and April. Another was sent to Glasgow-based Irish republican group Cairde Na h'Éireann.

First Minister Alex Salmond, who has taken a prominent role in anti-sectarian initiatives, last night revealed that he was briefed in advance about the raids.

Neil Lennon bomb plot: Locals tell of drama as armed police swooped on suspects in dawn raid - The Daily Record

Kilmarnock caretaker manager Kenny Shiels feels that Scotland’s sectarian abuse is much worse than that of Belfast.

Kilmarnock boss Kenny Shiels: Sectarian fans don't have a clue what they are singing about in their songs - The Daily Record

Scotland worse than Belfast for sectarianism ? Kilmarnock?s Shiels | Scottish Football News | tribalfootball.com


"The basic root of this problem is part of the religious and immigration history of Scotland," said Professor Tom Devine of Edinburgh University. "In the 19th and early 20th century there was significant numbers of Catholic and Protestant immigration from the north of Ireland. There was a sense of animosity at that group arriving at the time, and almost a sense of Scottish society being overwhelmed.

"Animosity in working-class neighbourhoods between Catholics and Protestants is weaker than it was in the old days but something of the folk memory still fuels low-level bigotry.

"[Neil Lennon] has got all the ingredients – he is Roman Catholic, he is from Northern Ireland, he is a former Celtic player and now a Celtic manager. He is also seen by Rangers fans as abrasive and unlike past Celtic managers he is very outspoken against anyone who attacks his club. None of this can possibly excuse what he and his family have had to suffer."

Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond called the incident "utterly unacceptable". "We cannot have the safety of individuals endangered by such mindless incidents, and our national game tarnished," he said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...post-for-celtic-boss-neil-lennon-2283358.html

 

[Cevno]

Although the comments themselves were innocuous, including a statement that he believed Webb to be the 'best man for the job', they contravened FA Rule E3.

TheFA.com - Manchester United manager charged following media comments

Sir Alex Ferguson charged by the FA for comments about Howard Webb | Mail Online

WTF?

SO now saying that Howard webb is "the best man for the job" is worthy of a charge?

The FA is bloody ridiculous.

Meanwhile before the FA cup Semi last year Moyes said this -

"A member of the press asked me if Mike Riley was a Manchester United supporter and I think that's something you would need to bring up with the FA," Moyes said. "If you're saying that he is, you'd hope the FA would look at it. It is something that one or two managers would have something to say about."

David Moyes questions Mike Riley's allegiance to Manchester United ahead of FA Cup semi-final | Football | guardian.co.uk

And there was no charge.

FA again trying to make a example of United and showing Hypocrisy at its best.

Not only that we got 2 clear penalties turned down in the match too plus Ivanovic was lucky to be not sent off twice.

Criticise the ref - BAN
Say he's the best ref - BAN

 

[GIMH]

The key part is this:

That contravenes the rule which states no manager should speak about a referee in advance of the match being played.

I'm no fan of Moyes, ****headed blue****e **** he is, but he was asked a question and answered it hypothetically. It's different.

 

[Cevno]

Ancelotti pre-match: "I don't want to put pressure on the referee. Howard Webb is a fantastic referee. "

No charge?

 

[GIMH]

Then he should be charged too.

It could be, though, that he doesn't have a rap sheet longer than the Old Trafford pitch so minor offences aren't punished as severely.

 

[Uppercut]

Don't know if having a history of moaning about refereeing decisions is that relevant to a charge for saying someone is a good ref at the wrong time.

Doubt he'll be given much of a punishment anyway.

 

[GIMH]

I don't know how the FA operate, I was speculating - but if someone is being charged, having any kind of record at all is probably taken into account. That's what I was saying.

Besides, it's naive to think Ferguson wasn't putting any pressure on the referee with that comment. Didn't make any difference in the end but there you go.

 

[Furball]

Btw,

Four devices, which had been sent to Lennon, leading QC McBride and former MSP Godman, were discovered in March and April. Another was sent to Glasgow-based Irish republican group Cairde Na h'Éireann.

First Minister Alex Salmond, who has taken a prominent role in anti-sectarian initiatives, last night revealed that he was briefed in advance about the raids.

Neil Lennon bomb plot: Locals tell of drama as armed police swooped on suspects in dawn raid - The Daily Record

Kilmarnock caretaker manager Kenny Shiels feels that Scotland’s sectarian abuse is much worse than that of Belfast.

Kilmarnock boss Kenny Shiels: Sectarian fans don't have a clue what they are singing about in their songs - The Daily Record

Scotland worse than Belfast for sectarianism ? Kilmarnock?s Shiels | Scottish Football News | tribalfootball.com


"The basic root of this problem is part of the religious and immigration history of Scotland," said Professor Tom Devine of Edinburgh University. "In the 19th and early 20th century there was significant numbers of Catholic and Protestant immigration from the north of Ireland. There was a sense of animosity at that group arriving at the time, and almost a sense of Scottish society being overwhelmed.

"Animosity in working-class neighbourhoods between Catholics and Protestants is weaker than it was in the old days but something of the folk memory still fuels low-level bigotry.

"[Neil Lennon] has got all the ingredients – he is Roman Catholic, he is from Northern Ireland, he is a former Celtic player and now a Celtic manager. He is also seen by Rangers fans as abrasive and unlike past Celtic managers he is very outspoken against anyone who attacks his club. None of this can possibly excuse what he and his family have had to suffer."

Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond called the incident "utterly unacceptable". "We cannot have the safety of individuals endangered by such mindless incidents, and our national game tarnished," he said.

After attack, a bullet in the post for Celtic boss Neil Lennon - Crime, UK - The Independent

Cevno, kindly get a clue or stfu.

This isn't me being snarky either. You don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about.

 

[Cevno]

Cevno, kindly get a clue or stfu.

This isn't me being snarky either. You don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about.

I did not really comment in that post just posted articles and comments from scottish citizens and newspapers, and I have a bigger clue than what you would think with my current location.
And my view is shared by the majority i have spoken too about it personally,and it is a view prevalent on the web too.

In any case I have said what i feel ,and don't really want to debate this here further.

To deny that sectarianism is not part of football culture in scotland with the hooligans is pretty naive to me.
Yes it may not be the only reason,it is the major reason for such douchebag's.

 

[Cevno]

Don't know if having a history of moaning about refereeing decisions is that relevant to a charge for saying someone is a good ref at the wrong time.

Doubt he'll be given much of a punishment anyway.

He is coming back from a 5 match ban for criticising the referee though, so i am not sure about that.