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2015 World Cup: 10 teams and no associates

Xuhaib

International Coach
Ideal Format

Stage 1:

15 teams and 3 groups of 5

Top 2 sides from 3 groups advance to the 2nd stage

Stage 2:

6 teams and 2 groups

Top 2 sides from both groups advance to the Semis

Pro's

Shorter tournament just 39 matches.

Minnows get a fair chance with each minnow getting atleast 4 games.

Deserving winner if all things work to plan the winner has to win atleast 4/6 games against the established test nations.
 

biased indian

International Coach
Ideal Format

Stage 1:

15 teams and 3 groups of 5

Top 2 sides from 3 groups advance to the 2nd stage

Stage 2:

6 teams and 2 groups

Top 2 sides from both groups advance to the Semis

Pro's

Shorter tournament just 39 matches.

Minnows get a fair chance with each minnow getting atleast 4 games.

Deserving winner if all things work to plan the winner has to win atleast 4/6 games against the established test nations.
make stage 2 a round robin and all play all who they have not met previously like the 99 format you wil get addl 6 games to make it total 45 games
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The changes didnt go far enough IMO

To ensure our rightful return to the top of the pile, CA needs to take a leaf out of the Yanks book when staging the next WC

Call it a World Championship and only invite Australian teams
 

Chewie

International Vice-Captain
God PlanetCricket is awful. One guy there actually believe this is a good idea.
I very much approve of your posts over there (though slightly overboard with the personal stuff). This is a terrible move by the ICC.

Nice avatar btw :p
 

Mike5181

International Captain
"It's not just about Ireland. This could mean the death of cricket in a lot of countries … and all because a few full members are looking to make a few extra quid from the competitions. How they can turn around, shut out half the world and still call themselves a world governing body is an absolute joke. " - William Porterfield

I agree, this isn't just an entertainment influenced decision it should be considered for what it is. A decision that will likely effect lives, limit the paths of aspiring cricketers outside the test nations. Who makes such a decision when less than a week has passed since the trophy was raised. Who are they really? All of our test playing nations had to come from somewhere. What would have happened to New Zealand, Sri Lanka if this happened to them all those years ago? Porterfield quite rightly should be furious with this decision.

You can kiss the Tikolo-like talent goodbye.
 
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pup11

International Coach
I don't think there should be a problem with a ten nation worldcup as long as the minnow nations are given a fair chance to break into those ten teams.

I think its high time bottom ranked teams like West Indies and Bangas are made to fight for their existence to be among the top ten cricket nations in the world a privilege they seem to have taken for granted.

I definitely see a lot more passion in team likes Ireland, Afghanistan and Netherlands to play at the international level compared to the Windies and Bangas, so it would only be fair if the associates are given a chance to fight for a worldcup slot with these bottom ranked sides.





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Athlai

Not Terrible
Yeah 10 teams is fine as long as you have qualifications. Maybe the top 6-8 amount of teams on the ICC rankings can be exempt but you still need to have some way that the other teams can feasibly qualify.

It can never be a world cup unless theoretically anyone could qualify.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
So disgusted I've actually written to the ECB, for the first time ever. Not that it'll make any difference, but I just felt I had to register my opposition to this somehow.
Did you do it via email? Be interesting to see what you get back, they do generally respond.
Good idea anyway and I will do the same.

I think as a forum we should seriously try and mobilise some sort of petition. I realise it's likely to be fruitless but still.

Anyone up for it and know the best way to go about it?
 

_Ed_

Request Your Custom Title Now!
As well as shutting the door on the associates themselves, it's depriving us as host nations some of the colour and excitement we had a right to expect from this tournament. Aus and NZ have had a long wait to host the World Cup, and one of the things I had been looking forward to the most in the last few years was going to some associates' games and seeing players I've never seen in the flesh before.

Now we'll be hosting an ODI cricket event that really doesn't feel like a World Cup at all, IMO.
 
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vcs

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Yeah 10 teams is fine as long as you have qualifications. Maybe the top 6-8 amount of teams on the ICC rankings can be exempt but you still need to have some way that the other teams can feasibly qualify.

It can never be a world cup unless theoretically anyone could qualify.
I think everybody should be made to qualify like in Football WCs. What if a top 8 team at the start of the qualification rounds completely loses form and performs terribly by the time the WC comes around? Or at least make it automatic entry for only the top 4-5 or something.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
I'd have hosts and holders qualify automatically and the rest play for it. Would mean associates got more game time against the top guys but without having pointless games in the WC itself.
 

Howe_zat

Audio File
Found this from Cricket With Balls, initially posted halfway through the tournament. Says a lot about what I've been trying to say, it's sometimes not so much about the results but the stories.

Before the world cup I talked about how much I like that this is still cricket’s ultimate tournament, and I love that at the end of this we’ll know who is the best ODI team in world cricket. Probably.

The other thing I love is the minnows. And because of typical ICC stupidity, they’ll be going soon.

In 07 Van Bunge and Ireland were the stories. In the 03 t my favourite memories are from John Davison’s batting, Kenya’s form and Aasif Karim’s bowling. In 99 I loved Neil Johnson. And anyone who has seen The Chuck Fleet-Smith’s will know how much I love Sultan Zarawani from 96.

In this tournament we’ve had minnow highlights coming thick and fast.

Collins Obuya’s 98* was heartbreaking. What a story though, the man who was one to watch in 03 with his leggies, gets the yips with his leggies and re-brands himself as a dogged barely functioning batsmen who somehow finds 98 runs against Australia before running out of time for making a hundred. Here is a man who has done whatever he came to perform for his country in this world cup.

Peter Borren is the most violent looking cricketer I’ve ever seen. If Crank 4 needs a Dutch Kiwi Villain I could see him in a knife fight with Jason Statham. Borren is the sort of barely functioning all rounder that minnows rely on. His medium pace makes you want to face it, and when he bats he seems to try and cut every ball. Throw in his captaincy, scary eyes and forehead, and you have a nugget of minnow gold that his team would be scared to miss field in front of.

Ryan Ten Doeschate smashed England around so bad that people thought he’d scared them straight. The South African Essex man with the nickname about his **** has smashed a few balls before this world cup, and he even had a cameo in Stuart Broad’s comedy romp in the World T20, but to see him fully take down England for a few hours was as good a structured innings I’ve seen by a minnow batsmen since Neil Johnson’s hundred against Australia.

Plus it’s fun to call him Ryan Ten Inches.

Rizwan Cheema has barely scored this world cup, and yet, he’s built up a cult following by batting like an arsonist.

Before this world cup the only taste of The Cheema (as he should be called) was on youtube. Now I’ve seen him open the batting, slog in the middle order, bowl his crafty rubbish medium pace and try and hit kiwi batsmen with beamers.

He’s like every club cricket slogger you’ve ever seen, but he does it once or twice to international bowlers before getting bowled with his eyes shut.
Nehemiah Odhiambo has taken five wickets in the world cup, and his econmy rate is far from Ray Pricean.

What he does have is a smile. When he beats a batsman, he smiles so much that no matter how much Shane Warne or Mitchell Johnson whiten their teeth, they’ll never smile like he does. He is impossible not to like, if he cheated on you with your girlfriend, you’d want to beat him up, but his smile and infectious attitude would make you take him out for a beer and ask him about his bowling action.

Then there is Kevin O’Brien.

I was under the opinion that O’Brien was a cult figure before this world cup. He’s a chubby slogger with ginger hair, surely there is already an Indie band called the K’OB experience after a few of his hits in the 09 World T20.

Apparently not, and most people only seemed to notice this beast when he beat England on his own. It was one of the best world cup innings in the entire history of the tournament, and it was done by a guy who was hyperventilating after 30 balls from a country that’s only been in a few tournaments.

Now, while I suspect I’m in the minority, even those who think that minnows are a waste of time would find it hard to argue that these guys have added to the tournament.

If the tournament is too long, shorten it, play two games a day during the early part of the tournament, don’t allow minnows to play from Friday to Sunday and it’s all good.

With 10 teams, we’re giving ourselves less chance for stories like Aasif Karim, Kevin O’Brien and Collins Obuya to come through.

I can’t see how that will improve the cricket world in any way, or make the world cup a more interesting tournament. I’ve seen New Zealand play Pakistan a lot, I don’t see much Netherlands Vs West Indies.

And perhaps the most important thing to remember is that Sri Lanka went from minnows to winners in 13 years.

The cricket world needs a touch of minnow, and if looking at Balaji Rao’s bulge doesn’t convince you of that, nothing will.
 
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four_or_six

Cricketer Of The Year
Did you do it via email? Be interesting to see what you get back, they do generally respond.
Good idea anyway and I will do the same.

I think as a forum we should seriously try and mobilise some sort of petition. I realise it's likely to be fruitless but still.

Anyone up for it and know the best way to go about it?
Yeah, I did it via email. I emailed the ICC too... unlikely to hear anything from that!

A petition would be really good - I have no idea how you would go about that though.
 

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