*Official* English Football Season 2010-11

[Nate]

Ah well. 5 at the back?! We had 3 against chelsea last week

Kelly and Johnson have been playing as wing-backs iirc. I count them.

 

[cover drive man]

Oh

 

[GIMH]

Hey, that's what the rule book says.

No it doesn't, it says you win not that you're better

Orgasmic goal from Arsenal.

Wilshere. England should build their midfield around him for the next decade, will be such a shame if his talents get wasted like Scholes.

How were Scholes' talents wasted exactly? **** chose to quit internationals after being a fixture for seven or eight years.

 

[Nate]

Just one of those games unfortunately. There was no Agger or Gerrard, Meireles didn't play many minutues and Carroll is still to come. Had to happen I guess.

 

[vcs]

No it doesn't, it says you win not that you're better



How were Scholes' talents wasted exactly? **** chose to quit internationals after being a fixture for seven or eight years.

Was played on the flanks by Eriksson IIRC. The Gerrard-Lampard partnership worked out great for him and McLaren (and Capello), didn't it?

 

[Nate]

Time to watch Yakubes march out for Leicester, thank you Fox Sports.

 

[cpr]

Scholes was one of those who just didn't spark properly at international level, can't blame any of the managers for that. Used to playing with Keane and Giggs, and basing his game around recieving from one and having the outlet of the other. England never offered him anyone nearly as good as them, so its small wonder he wasnt world class at that level.... He's adapted to the loss of Keane at OT, but thats because its week in week out... England he'd have to shift his game to adapt, then go back to normal the week after, never quite managed it.

Anyway, we won, don't care about the intricacies of who did which facet best, means i've got bragging rights on Monday.

 

[sledger]

Scholes was really good for England up until 2002 tbh. The impact he had on the Euro 2000 qualifiying campaign was significant tstl.

 

[GIMH]

Was played on the flanks by Eriksson IIRC. The Gerrard-Lampard partnership worked out great for him and McLaren (and Capello), didn't it?

You recall incorrectly

 

[vcs]

You recall incorrectly

However, after the tournament, Scholes saw his opportunities in the national team decline due to Sven-Göran Eriksson playing him out of position on the left midfield to accommodate the pairing of Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard in central midfield.

Paul Scholes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[cover drive man]

You recall incorrectly

Awta, was a shame it never did though. Past 5 years would have been very different for England if it had...

 

[grecian]

honestly villa fans were singing pro-gray songs, and "getyertitsoutforthelads", i ****ing despair at times, i really do.

you may object to the sacking, but to abuse the lines-person who did a perfectly good job is ****ing neanderthal

 

[Jarquis]

Yes, and I agree, but in order for to score a goal, one must surely be presented with a chance to score, by basic definition. I'm not contesting any of the above, but there clearly was a chance, regardless of its difficulty.

Tbf he said it was barely half a chance, of course you could be pedantic and say that chances are like holes. They either are or aren't, there are no halves. But from what I've heard Rooney basically created a goal out of nothing and had it been basically any other player in the world, or even Rooney himself on a different day, it genuinely would not have been a chance. Or if it was, only in the same way every other ball ever delivered into the box is also a chance.

Hey, that's what the rule book says.

No, the rule book says you're the winner. Just you seem to thinking winning=being best. That's not written anywhere.

 

[Jarquis]

Oh and Robin, please, please, pleeeease stay fit.

And for the Scum fans amongst us - an early Christmas present

 

[GIMH]

Paul Scholes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh if wiki says so then my watching all the games at the time must count for nothing.

In 03-04, Gerrard and Lampard were so much better than all other English midfielders it wasn't funny. Scholes had been quite poor at international level for a couple of years. Sven was going to have to find a way to accomodate them all but Scholes saw his future place under threat.

He actually went on to have a good tournament, playing in a narrow four. He wasn't played on the left wing.

Can't remember when he announced his retirement but at the time they were in better form and he thought his place was in trouble. as a family man he didn't want to tour Europe/the world to sit on the bench, which is fair enough.

To say England wasted him is simply wrong, end of.

 

[Jarquis]

Not every day that your local side is in the last 16 of the FA Vase.
Come on Torpoint

Torpoint Athletic through to FA Vase quarter-finals
Cheering
Just need 3 keepers to get injured so I can play in the next round

 

[Uppercut]

No, the rule book says you're the winner. Just you seem to thinking winning=being best. That's not written anywhere.

They're surely the same thing. Otherwise what's the point in having a result? Winning is always better than losing.

 

[Jarquis]

Winning is always better than losing.

Don't think that was ever disputed not is it relevant to what was being discussed.

I've had this discussion with you before but I don't agree that the winning team is always the one who was the better side. Sometimes the result just doesn't reflect the match

 

[grecian]

Oh if wiki says so then my watching all the games at the time must count for nothing.

In 03-04, Gerrard and Lampard were so much better than all other English midfielders it wasn't funny. Scholes had been quite poor at international level for a couple of years. Sven was going to have to find a way to accomodate them all but Scholes saw his future place under threat.

He actually went on to have a good tournament, playing in a narrow four. He wasn't played on the left wing.

Can't remember when he announced his retirement but at the time they were in better form and he thought his place was in trouble. as a family man he didn't want to tour Europe/the world to sit on the bench, which is fair enough.

To say England wasted him is simply wrong, end of.

It wasn't that scholes had been quite poor, but he'd been diabolical, oh but wiki disagrees with my eyes, so my eyes must be wrong.

Also i'm really ****ed about talk that if capelo had gone in person rather then a deputy, mr scholes may have turned up for england, oh really your highness, would you like a red or ginger carpet.

Honestly, the bloke couldn't give a **** about england, most of us would crawl over the proverbially rearranged glass to play.

 

[Tom Halsey]

He actually went on to have a good tournament, playing in a narrow four. He wasn't played on the left wing.

Whether he was on the left wing or not is irrelevant, he was certainly not in his best position by a long shot. I actually seem to recall his Euro 2004 being poor, but admittedly I don't remember it too well.