sledger
Spanish_Vicente
....didn't think I'd ever see anything like that in CZW of all places...
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Official Pro-Wrestling Thread (WWE, TNA, ROH etc.)
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sledger
Spanish_Vicente
Haha, on a somewhat related note I've been watching some of the matches from the Indy scene from a couple of years back and come across some really decent stuff. I'm not usually a fan of the likes of 3PW and CZW because like you say it's often just full of crazy and excessively violent hardcore stuff, but I did find a load of matches between the likes of AJ Styles, Joey Mercury, Matt Striker and Low-Ki which were really awesome. Shame Matt Striker got stuck with such a poor gimmick in the WWE, because his ring work is really really good. I think he's great in his current role as a commentator/personality...but I do wonder what could have been...That's exactly why it was so randomly hilarious. You'd expect someone being powerbombed on a cactus. Not hypnosis and dancing
Was a good watch hehe.
masterblaster
International Captain
He was replaced on commentary by Booker T on this weeks Smackdown. I'm not sure where Matt Striker goes from here. Maybe a three man booth on Raw or just continues doing commentary on WWE Superstars. I don't see him going back into the ring but you never know as I don't think he ever got injured or retired from wrestling.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
I'm hoping he'll be on Raw. He's a great commentator.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Yes. He is passionate about the industry, has amazing knowledge, is funny and enthusiastic. He was the best commentator in the E until Cole became a new person.
SirBloody Idiot
Cricketer Of The Year
Haha oh man I disagree so much on both of them. Striker is OK in small doses, but he's constantly interrupting, sprouting absolutely irrelevant ****, reeling off nicknames that are awful and outright making up "facts". I like his enthusiasm, but he's just downright awful at times.
I get what they are trying to do with Cole, but at the moment he's the type of commentator that makes me want to change the channel. That is not a good thing. He reminds me too much of those old WCW commentators who did their best to get themselves over and other storylines at the expense of what is on the screen. He's a great character, but I think he probably has to be a colour man to pull his role off. As it is, he spends half his time calling a match straight and the other half being a dick and that just ends up detracting from the wrestling. And this is coming from a guy who likes Cole.
I get what they are trying to do with Cole, but at the moment he's the type of commentator that makes me want to change the channel. That is not a good thing. He reminds me too much of those old WCW commentators who did their best to get themselves over and other storylines at the expense of what is on the screen. He's a great character, but I think he probably has to be a colour man to pull his role off. As it is, he spends half his time calling a match straight and the other half being a dick and that just ends up detracting from the wrestling. And this is coming from a guy who likes Cole.
masterblaster
International Captain
I agree somewhat. I thought his feud against Daniel Bryan was very entertaining and that has sort of morphed into his support for The Miz which has also been entertaining in it's own way. But he can sometimes end up not taking talent too seriously and that's where people like Tyson Kidd or DH Smith end up looking bad when Michael Cole trashes them. Other than that he's been doing a good job and you've got to love "..and I quote".
As for Matt Striker, yes he's enthusiastic, yes he's very knowledgeable and yes he's passionate about the industry but he needs to tone down on the over the top nicknames and antiquated cultural references. Sometimes he just gets his facts wrong too. Although after having heard about Mick Foley's experience as a commentator, I wonder how much of it is Vince McMahon feeding him these lines.
I remember when Matt Striker was just a commentator on ECW and he was very good. In fact he was excellent. I also remember reading reports at the time that Vince McMahon didn't really care about the announcing on ECW and allowed Matt Striker and Todd Grisham at the time to announce how they would like to.
Ever since ECW has closed down and Matt Striker has been on Smackdown there has been a noticeable dip in his commentating quality. It could be Vince McMahon feeding him lines but it could also be that he's a little inexperienced and his style has worn off rather quickly.
As for Matt Striker, yes he's enthusiastic, yes he's very knowledgeable and yes he's passionate about the industry but he needs to tone down on the over the top nicknames and antiquated cultural references. Sometimes he just gets his facts wrong too. Although after having heard about Mick Foley's experience as a commentator, I wonder how much of it is Vince McMahon feeding him these lines.
I remember when Matt Striker was just a commentator on ECW and he was very good. In fact he was excellent. I also remember reading reports at the time that Vince McMahon didn't really care about the announcing on ECW and allowed Matt Striker and Todd Grisham at the time to announce how they would like to.
Ever since ECW has closed down and Matt Striker has been on Smackdown there has been a noticeable dip in his commentating quality. It could be Vince McMahon feeding him lines but it could also be that he's a little inexperienced and his style has worn off rather quickly.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
He is passionate, he has great knowledge (though he does make up the odd fact) and he is funny and enthusiastic. However, he is extremely annoying and interrupts other commentator LOADS with pointless stuff, especially when in a 3 man team. He is good in theory, but in practice, he is tremendously irritating.
If he was a wrestler now though, after his commentating stint, I think he could be a truly despised heel or a loved face. I think his commentating stint has elevated his public profile in such a way that he could go either face or heel and be successful.
masterblaster
International Captain
I've got to say though that Josh Matthews is a breath of fresh air when it comes to the commentators. The guy can do play by play style announcing and he can do colour commentary as well. He's also very smart in terms of his knowledge about the industry and always comes across well. I hope he gets the chance to commentate on PPV's soon.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Was just watching the Placebo promo for Taker Vs Michaels and it has convinced me that it has to be a veteran to face Undertaker at WrestleMania. Diesel, Triple H, Sting, John Cena - just not a rookie - they would need to do such an excellent job to build it up if it was someone like Wade Barrett. Cena Vs Taker simply writes itself, as do the others. All eyes on 2/21/11 - if it is Sting's debut, we will probably see Sting Vs Undertaker, if it is Undertaker's return, we will probably get an inkling as to who he faces at WM.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Sting was such a good company man
YouTube - Bill Goldberg vs Sting (WCW Championship)
Does anyone remember Halloween Havoc 99? Were Heenan and Tony Schiavone pretending not to know the match was for the title?
EDIT: Yeah they did.
Goldberg was originally awarded the championship but the title change was voided due to the match being unsanctioned; Sting was then stripped of the championship by James J. Dillon the next night on Nitro for attacking referee Charles Robinson during the match.
YouTube - Bill Goldberg vs Sting (WCW Championship)
Does anyone remember Halloween Havoc 99? Were Heenan and Tony Schiavone pretending not to know the match was for the title?
EDIT: Yeah they did.
Goldberg was originally awarded the championship but the title change was voided due to the match being unsanctioned; Sting was then stripped of the championship by James J. Dillon the next night on Nitro for attacking referee Charles Robinson during the match.
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GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
See, I know what you mean with Cole and I think I'm finding his act a bit more natural on Smackdown, where Josh calls more of the play-by-play and he just sneers. TBH I'd be quite happy for them to just make him the full-time GM. They've been using him as a guest referee in dark matches just because of the heat he's not getting, will be interesting to see where they wind up going with him.
As for Striker - well firstly, so what if he makes up facts? Okay, when he says "this title has never changed hands in this city" - if that's what you're referring to - yeah, he should be more careful. But when he just makes up little things about what wrestlers have said to him, or inventing a pre-WWE background - that's what colour guys are supposed to do, Heenan and Ventura, the best ever IMO, were masters of that.
Striker comes across as someone who both loves and understands the industry, and in addition he isn't shy of taking a potshot or five at the IWC which I am not going to complain about. Agree to disagree I guess, but as I say, really hope he is on Raw tomorrow! They'll need another colour guy with King busy the next few weeks.
Yeah, Josh was great on NXT and I was glad he got the chance to step up to Smackdown (and parts of Raw pretty much every week since Punk went back into the ring and King has been having matches).
The commentary on season three of NXT with Cole and Mathews was hilarious.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
I agree entirely with Corrin, I think Striker is excellent for the reasons stated. Similarly I think Michael Cole is good too, has freshened himself up really well. Makes a good alternative to JR, who much as I love him, seems a little dated and out of place on live TV these days.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Yes, that - I am not a stickler for facts, it would just seem he wants to talk for the sake of spouting whatever bull**** he wants, regardless of whether it has any value. Not the backstage things, I know that is part and parcel of the role and I quite enjoy that.
You raise a good point, he will probably take over things on Raw. Yes, he comes across at all those things, but his voice (which is not a great TV voice, imo) and the fact he never shuts up really ruins things.
Yes, genuinely brilliant. Reminds me of the old days of Heat when it was Grisham and Coach and they'd talk and talk, knowing **** all people are listening and just saying what they want - dissing the guys in the ring and all that - genuinely entertaining.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
JR was all for the big match - all for the Austin Vs Taker 'End of an Era' sort of thing (not that match specifically). These days, with the two World titles (which must be unified, imo*) and the useless CeNexus type stipulations, there is just not much worth caring about.
*Let's face it, who is the champion? Who is the current face of WWE? It is the Miz! Edge is holding a useless championship atm, and WWE are devaluing the true champion by suggesting otherwise.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
I would say there is quite a lot worth caring about tbh, also DWTA with the world title thing, see my posts on the matter from a month or so ago for the reasons why.
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