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Looks like Gambhir has taken over the blocking role from Dravid now. And he is seriously good at it. Should we play him at 3 and drop Dravid and get Vijay in the side?
Why the **** would you want to break up an opening partnership that works perfectly and is the strongest point of our team (well, atleast on flattish wickets, which is the majority)? Terrible idea. Gambhir and Sehwag bat superbly with each other.
 

Turbinator

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Yeah, completely agree with VCS here. I feel someone like Pujara needs to be given an extended run at the number 3 spot. He certainly has the ability to succeed, should be persisted with.
 

Dissector

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I am still quite skeptical about Gambhir's technique and think he will be severely tested in England but he has clearly answered questions about his temparament in this test match. I really hope he and Sehwag can form a stable opening partnership over the next few years and ease in the entry of all the new middle order players.

What about Dravid? I admire him enormously but I think it's time to let him go. Clearly he is a shadow of his former self and hasn't solved his problem of reaching out outside the off-stump. I can't see him play much of a role in England and a full series in the West Indies would be a good preparation for someone like Vijay. He can take satisfaction in ending his great career with a gritty knock to help India draw for the first time in SA.
 

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Dravid seems to receive a hell of a lot of great balls these days. Maybe it's just that his way of batting and getting out sometimes makes deliveries look better than they actually are.
 

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This could also be India's last Test with Gary Kirsten as their coach, and Dhoni made his appreciation for the former South Africa opener very clear. "I wanted to Gary to do this press conference, but it seems to have slipped out of his mind. He has gone back home. He is getting old.

"We have had some fantastic times with him. He was one guy who didn't know much about Indian cricket as far as the dressing room is concerned. Most of the players have that aura. It is very difficult to come with a fixed mind. He came in with no plans; he came to see what individuals do and then made a plan, which worked for us. We were very free under him. Most of the credit should go to him also. Especially when being an India coach, all the media glare is on you.

"One of the great things that happened to Indian cricket. I don't know if this is his last Test as India coach but every member loves him and acknowledges and respects the amount of time and devotion that he has given Indian cricket."
South Africa: Dhoni upbeat despite missed opportunity | Cricket News | South Africa v India | ESPN Cricinfo

Don't go Gary. :(
 

Teja.

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Why the **** would you want to break up an opening partnership that works perfectly and is the strongest point of our team (well, atleast on flattish wickets, which is the majority)? Terrible idea. Gambhir and Sehwag bat superbly with each other.
Yeah, AWTA.
 

Teja.

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Two major positives from this series is the returning to form of both Gambhir and Harbhajan, The latter particularly. We have survived on Zaheer being our only test-class bowler(Was exceptional tbf) in 2010 with Harby having a disastrous year, Now if he carries on like he bowled in this series, It'll be awesome.

We also really missed out on starts provided for no loss previously from Sehwag and Gambhir. In 2010 with Gambhir and an out-of-form Dravid falling early more often than not It's a case of Sachin coming in early and in the end being bowled out for 400-450 instead of the 150+ runs we could gain from Gambhir returning to form + a decent No.3. Gambhir has proved his critics wrong by stringing together three gutsy knocks in SA and being our second best bat after Sachin.

Dravid really needs to go tbh. He might still be good for struggling and finally scoring a hundred on a highway against NZ at home but he really is struggling against quality pace atm and we cannot afford a shaky No.3 with a series of tests against Roach and then England coming up. Badri played an epic knock negating some monstrous swing from Chahar and Pankaj Singh y'day and probably will be the best call, Don't think the selectors will do it though. Perhaps give Kohli or Rahane a chance? Either way Dravid needs to go now, IMHO. Maybe one proper farewell series max. Still love him though.

Sehwag's issues in SA were more temperamental than technical, IMHO. Going after everything even slightly outside off in England and SA is just not on. I thought he did a fine job surviving the opening spell of Steyn yesterday and not getting carried away. As luck would have it, He got out to Morkel's last of the spell. He definitely needs to bat sensibly against the new ball against quality bowlers. Let's hope this is a one time failure and not a loss in form.

Tendulkar and Laxman are guns obv.

Dhoni is a horrendously defensive tactician, I thought he batted well though. Good on him.

Zaheer - WAFG. I hope he doesn't play the ODIs tbh. Stupid ODIs = higher chance of injury. If it was left to me, I wouldn't play him in the WC as well and keep him in cotton till the tests come but it's pretty unreasonable to expect him not to play.

The other pacers - Ishant should definitely go. Even if it means we play a spinner in place of him in the occasion that we cannot find a test-class pacer. Sreesanth should be persisted with for one more series. Had a horrible first match, but bowled a match-winning spell in the second Innings of the second test and was our only decent bowler in the first Innings of the third test. If it was up to me, He would not have even played this series but it's harsh to drop him after 2 good performances.

As to the No.6 question, Pujara did not do any better than Raina tbh and I personally think the latter is somewhat over-criticized. It should be remembered that he hit a century on debut, though on a very flat pitch, scored an awesome fifty under pressure at the PSS and almost scored another century in the first match against Oz. His problems are not with bounce but with movement, IMO. I hope one of them turns into a good bat this year.
 
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Bun

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I think the current Indian team will not disintegrate in the absence of a head coach as demonstrated by their performance from end of world Cup till the end of the Australian tour, where they were without one. The likes of Sehwag, Sachin, Laxman etc are experienced enough to sort themselves out, although a bowling coach and batting coach can be necessary to work with the youngsters.

I am not really sure about what a head coach can bring to the table as regards to a team like that of India's. Although I can understand a team like Bangladesh or say a young Australia needing one.

Gary has done an excellent job in being a sounding board for the seniors. But more than him, i'd like to think it's Paddy UpTon, the mental conditioning guy, who has had a role to play in the last few years, by dealing with the mental side of things and keeping the motivation going.

Atm however, indians would wish Gary stayed, as he is a non controversial, approachable and reassuring figure in the dressing room. But his indispensability, if any, stems from the fear of someone like Chappel taking over, in my opinion.
 

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Atm however, indians would wish Gary stayed, as he is a non controversial, approachable and reassuring figure in the dressing room. But his indispensability, if any, stems from the fear of someone like Chappel taking over, in my opinion.
Lol....Chappell was such a **** coach. The reason India probably did not win a lot more before the 07 WC.
 

Arjun

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Why is Dravid always under such a tight examination? Can you imagine the South Africans without Kallis, at this stage? Or the Australians without Ponting? Or Pakistan without Inzi-Younus-Yousuf? There are holes to plug in this team, such as a strike seamer, a second strike spinner, an all-rounder, that replacement for Ganguly (ideally someone who can bowl), as well as reserve players, all of which need someone like Dravid in the middle. He can add solidity when there are some major changes happening in the side, which is far from what someone like Raina and Pujara can do. In fact, Pujara has been found wanting when needed the most, and is far from being an immediate replacement for Dravid. He may not even be an appropriate replacement for Raina, who added some support to the bowling unit. If India are to consolidate their #1 position, build a full team (which isn't the case now) and have a seamless transition across generations, all of the old guard need to hang on.
 

Cevno

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It is too early to say that Pujara has been found wanting.

Same was the case with Badrinath,though i think Pujara will be given a longer rope and certainly deserves it.
 

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Two major positives from this series is the returning to form of both Gambhir and Harbhajan, The latter particularly. We have survived on Zaheer being our only test-class bowler(Was exceptional tbf) in 2010 with Harby having a disastrous year, Now if he carries on like he bowled in this series, It'll be awesome.

We also really missed out on starts provided for no loss previously from Sehwag and Gambhir. In 2010 with Gambhir and an out-of-form Dravid falling early more often than not It's a case of Sachin coming in early and in the end being bowled out for 400-450 instead of the 150+ runs we could gain from Gambhir returning to form + a decent No.3. Gambhir has proved his critics wrong by stringing together three gutsy knocks in SA and being our second best bat after Sachin.

Dravid really needs to go tbh. He might still be good for struggling and finally scoring a hundred on a highway against NZ at home but he really is struggling against quality pace atm and we cannot afford a shaky No.3 with a series of tests against Roach and then England coming up. Badri played an epic knock negating some monstrous swing from Chahar and Pankaj Singh y'day and probably will be the best call, Don't think the selectors will do it though. Perhaps give Kohli or Rahane a chance? Either way Dravid needs to go now, IMHO. Maybe one proper farewell series max. Still love him though.

Sehwag's issues in SA were more temperamental than technical, IMHO. Going after everything even slightly outside off in England and SA is just not on. I thought he did a fine job surviving the opening spell of Steyn yesterday and not getting carried away. As luck would have it, He got out to Morkel's last of the spell. He definitely needs to bat sensibly against the new ball against quality bowlers. Let's hope this is a one time failure and not a loss in form.

Tendulkar and Laxman are guns obv.

Dhoni is a horrendously defensive tactician, I thought he batted well though. Good on him.

Zaheer - WAFG. I hope he doesn't play the ODIs tbh. Stupid ODIs = higher chance of injury. If it was left to me, I wouldn't play him in the WC as well and keep him in cotton till the tests come but it's pretty unreasonable to expect him not to play.

The other pacers - Ishant should definitely go. Even if it means we play a spinner in place of him in the occasion that we cannot find a test-class pacer. Sreesanth should be persisted with for one more series. Had a horrible first match, but bowled a match-winning spell in the second Innings of the second test and was our only decent bowler in the first Innings of the third test. If it was up to me, He would not have even played this series but it's harsh to drop him after 2 good performances.

As to the No.6 question, Pujara did not do any better than Raina tbh and I personally think the latter is somewhat over-criticized. It should be remembered that he hit a century on debut, though on a very flat pitch, scored an awesome fifty under pressure at the PSS and almost scored another century in the first match against Oz. His problems are not with bounce but with movement, IMO. I hope one of them turns into a good bat this year.
Good post. Though I have often praised Raina for his efforts in SL, he has been horribly exposed since then. Pujara's runs in Bangalore alone should give him atleast another Test match or two.. :wub:

Also agree with your assessment of Sreesanth.. now if only he could bring some consistency to his game...
 

G.I.Joe

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India and SA evenly matched given that SA has drawn twice recently in India and the latter has drawn here with SA. The main difference is that India has the capacity to win at home, SA doesn't.
Being evenly matched against each other doesn't imply that they're equal at the top though. India and Australia were evenly matched through the 00's, that didn't make India joint #1.
 

Jono

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As to the No.6 question, Pujara did not do any better than Raina tbh and I personally think the latter is somewhat over-criticized. It should be remembered that he hit a century on debut, though on a very flat pitch, scored an awesome fifty under pressure at the PSS and almost scored another century in the first match against Oz. His problems are not with bounce but with movement, IMO. I hope one of them turns into a good bat this year.
Agreed with everything up to this part, but this is just wrong. Raina definitely struggles with bounce, and it is pretty obvious that Pujara has gotten some amazing deliveries compared to Raina, who goes out guiding a regulation ball outside off stump straight to slip.

13.2 137.1 kph, It wouldn't surprise many that Raina has been bounced out. He hopped to get on top of the chest-high bouncer but could only poke it to slips. Gone! It was a surprise that they didn't bounce that many at him in the first innings. They have corrected it this time. Australia are on the kill here. They are hustling the Indians. Tendulkar is still out there.Zaheer Khan walks out

tbh
 

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Still can't believe the shot he played 2nd innings at Centurion. :@ God, I gave him some abuse that day.
 

Teja.

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Agreed with everything up to this part, but this is just wrong. Raina definitely struggles with bounce, and it is pretty obvious that Pujara has gotten some amazing deliveries compared to Raina, who goes out guiding a regulation ball outside off stump straight to slip.

13.2 137.1 kph, It wouldn't surprise many that Raina has been bounced out. He hopped to get on top of the chest-high bouncer but could only poke it to slips. Gone! It was a surprise that they didn't bounce that many at him in the first innings. They have corrected it this time. Australia are on the kill here. They are hustling the Indians. Tendulkar is still out there.Zaheer Khan walks out

tbh
Conceded.

Still think Raina should get some grace for his three good Innings tbh. He certainly would have if they were spread out and not in his first three.
 

Manee

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Two major positives from this series is the returning to form of both Gambhir and Harbhajan, The latter particularly. We have survived on Zaheer being our only test-class bowler(Was exceptional tbf) in 2010 with Harby having a disastrous year, Now if he carries on like he bowled in this series, It'll be awesome.
Harbhajan's year was not too bad. 43 wickets at 40.69 is not terrible considering he played on a few roads.

Dravid really needs to go tbh. He might still be good for struggling and finally scoring a hundred on a highway against NZ at home but he really is struggling against quality pace atm and we cannot afford a shaky No.3 with a series of tests against Roach and then England coming up. Badri played an epic knock negating some monstrous swing from Chahar and Pankaj Singh y'day and probably will be the best call, Don't think the selectors will do it though. Perhaps give Kohli or Rahane a chance? Either way Dravid needs to go now, IMHO. Maybe one proper farewell series max. Still love him though.
I back Dravid to come good in the West Indies or England series. I do not think Dravid is quite finished yet. He negotiated the final day of this series like a top batsman.

Sehwag's issues in SA were more temperamental than technical, IMHO. Going after everything even slightly outside off in England and SA is just not on. I thought he did a fine job surviving the opening spell of Steyn yesterday and not getting carried away. As luck would have it, He got out to Morkel's last of the spell. He definitely needs to bat sensibly against the new ball against quality bowlers. Let's hope this is a one time failure and not a loss in form.
Yes. Let's hope so.

Dhoni is a horrendously defensive tactician, I thought he batted well though. Good on him.
Good man motivator though, it would seem. Hopefully he slowly learns the tactics. Tbh, India do not need a coach, in the traditional sense of the word, they need a tactician to support Dhoni.

Zaheer - WAFG. I hope he doesn't play the ODIs tbh. Stupid ODIs = higher chance of injury. If it was left to me, I wouldn't play him in the WC as well and keep him in cotton till the tests come but it's pretty unreasonable to expect him not to play.
Maybe play him for the WC. However, I also see no need for him to play this series. Munaf, Nehra and Praveen are all near enough Zaheer in terms of ODI bowling.

The other pacers - Ishant should definitely go. Even if it means we play a spinner in place of him in the occasion that we cannot find a test-class pacer. Sreesanth should be persisted with for one more series. Had a horrible first match, but bowled a match-winning spell in the second Innings of the second test and was our only decent bowler in the first Innings of the third test. If it was up to me, He would not have even played this series but it's harsh to drop him after 2 good performances.
Yep. Drop Ishant. He should not play our next Test series, at all. Regardless of injuries, he cannot play! Sreesanth can have one more series, the series against West Indies. I do believe he will be inconsistent but produce one good spell to keep him in the side. I just hope he doesn't let us down if and when he goes to England.
 

GotSpin

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Agreed with everything up to this part, but this is just wrong. Raina definitely struggles with bounce, and it is pretty obvious that Pujara has gotten some amazing deliveries compared to Raina, who goes out guiding a regulation ball outside off stump straight to slip.

13.2 137.1 kph, It wouldn't surprise many that Raina has been bounced out. He hopped to get on top of the chest-high bouncer but could only poke it to slips. Gone! It was a surprise that they didn't bounce that many at him in the first innings. They have corrected it this time. Australia are on the kill here. They are hustling the Indians. Tendulkar is still out there.Zaheer Khan walks out

tbh
I bet Kemar Roach would be rubbing his hands with glee at the prospect of Raina batting
 

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