England can beat India "every day of week": Gough

[silentstriker]

I've said this so many times, but no-one ever replies. There are no logical arguments against it. You can call Zaheer a better bowler if you like but there's no team in the world that would benefit more from Zaheer than Anderson, because Anderson's actually available for every game.

No one is arguing that Anderson is fitter. That's not the issue.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah I don't find it a pretty convincing argument that there is no such thing as bowling well on flat pitches. Why then are there much higher average scores on sub-continental pitches than in other areas???? Why then do great bowlers like Dennis Lillee refuse to visit the SC after a few tests??? Imran is damn right when he says that fast bowling in the SC is a tough job. It is back breaking work and becomes much tougher when you bend your back and the ball barely rises above waist heght.

Lillee didn't "refuse" to visit the subcontinent. He went on two tours there at the fag end if his career. Australia toured the subcontinent pretty infrequently back then mate.

 

[Prince EWS]

No one is arguing that Anderson is fitter. That's not the issue.

Fitness is part of being an effective bowler though. If you're going to compare two bowlers, the frequency of availability is going to play a role in how useful and effective they're going to be to their teams. Even if I conceded that Zaheer was a better bowler when they were both out there by say, 5%, I'd still take Anderson in my team because Zaheer's going to play about 30% less games. That 5% difference in performance isn't going to make up for the fact that you're going to have a much worse bowler than both playing 30% of the time. 0.7 * Zaheer + 0.3 * Unadkat isn't anywhere close to 1 * Anderson.

 

[silentstriker]

Fitness is part of being an effective bowler though.

I am not arguing that either...

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[GIMH]

Prince EWS is chipping in to the overall Anderson V Zaheer debate, rather than the one about the conditions.

 

[silentstriker]

Prince EWS is chipping in to the overall Anderson V Zaheer debate, rather than the one about the conditions.

Well, if the question is who England would rather have, I'd say Anderson. If the question is who India would rather have, it'd be Zaheer since the difference is greater than 5% in my estimation. But more importantly, he bowls well in India. If Anderson can bowl in India as well as he has in England and now Australia, then I would take Anderson as well. Of course fitness matters. On the other hand, if Anderson is like most visiting fast bowlers, then I wouldn't consider him in the same league since that's 50% of games we're talking about.

 

[Turbinator]

Well, if the question is who England would rather have, I'd say Anderson. If the question is who India would rather have, it'd be Zaheer since the difference is greater than 5% in my estimation. But more importantly, he bowls well in India. If Anderson can bowl in India as well as he has in England and now Australia, then I would take Anderson as well. Of course fitness matters. On the other hand, if Anderson is like most visiting fast bowlers, then I wouldn't consider him in the same league since that's 50% of games we're talking about.

Man has a point.

 

[silentstriker]

In fact, any non subcotninent side would take Anderson because he is available a lot more - consistency matters. Zaheer's mindbogglingly exceptional bowling in India as well as overseas is what makes him so valuable to India - so the situation is a little different.

 

[Prince EWS]

I am not arguing that either...

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I was though. You're the one who quoted my post despite the fact that we were participating in different debates.

 

[Jacknife]

The fact of the matter is England can't bat spin bowlers to save their lives. They will be eaten for breakfast, lunch and dinner alive by the Indian spinners if the series were to happen in India.

If England claim they are better at fast bowling than India, Look what happened to South Africa in Durban. Any day of the week Zak, Sreesanth and Ishant are better than the English bowlers. Of Course Sree needs to get his head examined. That is a different Issue altogether.

And Darren Gough has a big mouth and he runs it like a madman. England will be beaten to pulp in India and India would be hard to beat in English conditions. Gough can put that in his pipe and smoke.

That is what I meant to say when I said England have not beaten India Since 1996 at home and 1984 away.

Wow, that's cringe worthy.

 

[Jacknife]

This is what will happen.. England will be beaten to pulp in India and India would be hard to beat in English conditions, Maybe a series draw is the most likely result.

Just like what you did to Australia, you mean?

 

[Jacknife]

I actually think England are a very very good side.. Still don't see them being good enough to beat "any" team every day of the week... But they are becoming a darned good side for sure...


And love Strauss and Andy Flowers.. WAGs

Agree and I don't think even the most one eyed England fan would believe that

 

[marc71178]

Well, if the question is who England would rather have, I'd say Anderson. If the question is who India would rather have, it'd be Zaheer since the difference is greater than 5% in my estimation. But more importantly, he bowls well in India. If Anderson can bowl in India as well as he has in England and now Australia, then I would take Anderson as well. Of course fitness matters. On the other hand, if Anderson is like most visiting fast bowlers, then I wouldn't consider him in the same league since that's 50% of games we're talking about.

To be fair to Jimmy, hasn't he actually done reasonably well in India?

 

[Uppercut]

Well, if the question is who England would rather have, I'd say Anderson. If the question is who India would rather have, it'd be Zaheer since the difference is greater than 5% in my estimation. But more importantly, he bowls well in India. If Anderson can bowl in India as well as he has in England and now Australia, then I would take Anderson as well. Of course fitness matters. On the other hand, if Anderson is like most visiting fast bowlers, then I wouldn't consider him in the same league since that's 50% of games we're talking about.

He is comfortably the second best bowler in the world at the moment, tbf. If Jimmeh can't find some success in India then no one outside of Steyn can- which is a definite possibility but the last couple of series offer a lot of encouragement for visiting quicks in that regard.

 

[Burgey]

Bell >>>>> Tendulkar.

 

[silentstriker]

He is comfortably the second best bowler in the world at the moment, tbf. If Jimmeh can't find some success in India then no one outside of Steyn can- which is a definite possibility but the last couple of series offer a lot of encouragement for visiting quicks in that regard.

Who is? Zaheer or Anderson?

 

[Uppercut]

Anderson.

I thought you agreed by saying you'd pick him for every team bar India.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Jimmeh = James aka James Anderson

 

[silentstriker]

Anderson.

I thought you agreed by saying you'd pick him for every team bar India.

Due to fitness. Yes.

 

[GIMH]

Bell >>>>> Tendulkar.

Without doubt