*Official* - Pakistan in New Zealand 2010/2011

[thierry henry]

He was clocked at 146 in his 2nd game after a 6 month layoff in South Africa, so I really don't think it's our radars at fault.

I didn't say they were at fault, I said they consistently read a lot higher than India or Australia. South Africa, England and NZ give higher readings for some reason.

 

[thierry henry]

If that was the case then Mills, Southee and the other bowlers would have been clocking higher speeds also, which they weren't.

They clearly were! Both Mills and Southee were a good 5kph quicker on average.

 

[thierry henry]

I believe that people are actually bowling slower in India, due to the heat and humidity sapping the bowlers' energy. Not so sure about the Australian ones. A couple of years ago I thought they were ridiculously over the top in their speed readins, but the pace has come down in the last couple of years. Whether that's due to the genuine quicks like Lee and Tait fading into the background, or a rejig of their technology, I'm not sure.

I don't see how all the bowlers would be bowling slower in India from the very first ball of their spell.

With Australia, something has clearly changed this season as the speeds of the same bowlers are well down across the board.

 

[Bahnz]

I didn't say they were at fault, I said they consistently read a lot higher than India or Australia. South Africa, England and NZ give higher readings for some reason.

As mentioned above, heat and humidity sapping bowler energy probably has a lot to do with it. It's test cricket in Australia at the moment anyway, so the bowlers are obviously going to be operating about 5k's down from the speeds they'd produce in ODI's and especially T20's.

 

[Bahnz]

I don't see how all the bowlers would be bowling slower in India from the very first ball of their spell.

In India Hamish Bennett was bowling low to mid 140's in his first spell before dropping off, though we have nothing to compare that against obviously. Likewise, Tim Southee was briefly operating in the high 130's in his first spells in the tests, and only faded down to 128-133 later.

 

[thierry henry]

In India Hamish Bennett was bowling low to mid 140's in his first spell before dropping off, though we have nothing to compare that against obviously. Likewise, Tim Southee was briefly operating in the high 130's in his first spells in the tests, and only faded down to 128-133 later.

I don't really recall Southee bowling that fast tbh. There was a distinct difference in early spell readings for the NZ bowlers in the Pakistan game vs all the games in India. We were both watching the same readings so if you didn't see it then I guess we agree to disagree. Year in year out for the last 5 or 6 years we've had high readings in NZ.

 

[thierry henry]

It's test cricket in Australia at the moment anyway, so the bowlers are obviously going to be operating about 5k's down from the speeds they'd produce in ODI's and especially T20's.

The readings across the board are way down in Australia this season vs previous seasons in tests.

 

[BeeGee]

From Cricinfo:
"New Zealand, rotating their players, have brought in Ian Butler and Luke Woodcock. So Milne and Brownlie miss out today."

Interesting.

 

[Bahnz]

I don't really recall Southee bowling that fast tbh. There was a distinct difference in early spell readings for the NZ bowlers in the Pakistan game vs all the games in India. We were both watching the same readings so if you didn't see it then I guess we agree to disagree. Year in year out for the last 5 or 6 years we've had high readings in NZ.

Note your own comment from the India series (Chewie makes a similar point).

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cricket-chat/48399-official-new-zealand-india-2010-a-271.html

Southee hitting around 138 in his first spell before dropping off.

 

[Bahnz]

From Cricinfo:
"New Zealand, rotating their players, have brought in Ian Butler and Luke Woodcock. So Milne and Brownlie miss out today."

Interesting.

Ugh...Ian Butler? Why do they keep selecting players who've done **** all in this year's HRV cup?

 

[M0rphin3]

From Cricinfo:
"New Zealand, rotating their players, have brought in Ian Butler and Luke Woodcock. So Milne and Brownlie miss out today."

Interesting.

No Milne

 

[Zinzan]

Pfft, they should have played Milne again & they look a batsman short

 

[thierry henry]

Note your own comment from the India series (Chewie makes a similar point).

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cricket-chat/48399-official-new-zealand-india-2010-a-271.html

Southee hitting around 138 in his first spell before dropping off.

Fair point tbh (although that link doesn't actually take me to the right page I don't think, but I'll take your word for it)

I still maintain there is a noticeable difference. I pretty much always notice it tbh, almost every game you can tell it's a "fast radar" or a "slow radar" within the first couple of overs.

I was actually thinking initially of the radars in the Indian ODIs where McKay never reached the speeds he did last summer in NZ and Franklin, bowling his no effort lobs, was 120kph vs 130kph here

 

[M0rphin3]

Was that a ploy to distract Ryder? What a dire shot straightaway.

 

[Bahnz]

Gah, Ryder.

 

[BeeGee]

Franklin at 3. Interesting.

 

[Prince EWS]

Franklin at 3. Interesting.

Sign of things to come for the Test side?

 

[slowfinger]

New Zealand bring everyone up and down, last time I checked Franklin was like 9 or 10, then he scored a hundred IIRC. RAZZAQ ZINDABAD!

 

[BeeGee]

Excellent pace and bounce from Shoaib.

 

[BeeGee]

Huge from Guppy.