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*Official* New Zealand in Bangladesh 2010

Flem274*

Flem274*

123/5
Prince EWS said:
To put irrotev's epic pessimism into some sort of context, here's what he said before the series:









He under-rated them. Now he's over-reacting. Not surprised.
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Don't forget his flip flopping over Stewart. For such a biased Cantabrian he sure gives up early. Wouldn't survive the Champions League.
 
Aritro

Aritro

International Regular
May as well save the sub-continent another major event public relations shambles and just hand us the World Cup now tbh
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Congrats for Bangers. Well teams should pull up their socks against them and go with the idea of demolishing them. Now they've improved a lot, so a slip in focus they might get top on you at any time.
 
tombarlow123

tombarlow123

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
What a ****ing brilliant effort from Shuvo! Incredible statistics for the match. Would anyone who watched the game say that he bowled as well as the stats suggest?
 
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Polo23

International Debutant
tombarlow123 said:
What a ****ing brilliant effort from Shuvo! Incredible statistics for the match. Would anyone who watched the game say that he bowled as well as the stats suggest?
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No.

I'd say NZ are still incredibly ****house against spin. Shuvo was accurate, but didn't really do much, the NZ batsmen just had no idea...bar maybe Taylor, but that always seems to be the case anyway. If we ever needed someone last night, it was Scott Styris, a good player of spin and someone prepared to do the hard work.
 
Bahnz

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Polo23 said:
No.

I'd say NZ are still incredibly ****house against spin. Shuvo was accurate, but didn't really do much, the NZ batsmen just had no idea...bar maybe Taylor, but that always seems to be the case anyway. If we ever needed someone last night, it was Scott Styris, a good player of spin and someone prepared to do the hard work.
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Hah! You've changed your tune in the last 8 months! Totally AWTA though.

For the 3rd ODI, Elliot has to go. The best replacement is probably Williamson. He literally can't do worse with the bat (although his intl record so far would tend to suggest he'll do the exact same) and as others have pointed out, his tweakers might be of some use. I'd also almost consider throwing Redmond in there, given that he's in the squad for some mysterious reason (again partly due to his spinners, and partly due to batting), though I really don't know where he'd fit in the order. If McCullum is fit and keeping, I'd almost consider dropping him down the order, just because the current tail looks so frail without big jake or Danny-boy to beef it up. McKay out, Tuffee in.

Feel a bit sorry for Bennett. I'm sure the original plan was for us to win the first three games comfortably and then give Bennett a go in the last two. Can't see it happening now, as we'll be to desperate to avoid a series loss to take a risk with such an untried player.

Ryder
Redmond
Watling
Taylor
Williamson
McCullum
Vettori
McCullum
Mills
Tuffee
Southee

Hmmmm...I actually think I really don't like that lineup, but the batting looks poor no matter who you pick from the current squad, so I really don't know.
 
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Polo23

International Debutant
Bahnz said:
Hah! You've changed your tune in the last 8 months! Totally AWTA though.

For the 3rd ODI, Elliot has to go. The best replacement is probably Williamson. He literally can't do worse with the bat (although his intl record so far would tend to suggest he'll do the exact same) and as others have pointed out, his tweakers might be of some use. I'd also almost consider throwing Redmond in there, given that he's in the squad for some mysterious reason (again partly due to his spinners, and partly due to batting), though I really don't know where he'd fit in the order. If McCullum is fit and keeping, I'd almost consider dropping him down the order, just because the current tail looks so frail without big jake or Danny-boy to beef it up. McKay out, Tuffee in.

Feel a bit sorry for Bennett. I'm sure the original plan was for us to win the first three games comfortably and then give Bennett a go in the last two. Can't see it happening now, as we'll be to desperate to avoid a series loss to take a risk with such an untried player.

Ryder
Redmond
Watling
Taylor
Williamson
McCullum
Vettori
McCullum
Mills
Tuffee
Southee

Hmmmm...I actually think I really don't like that lineup, but the batting looks poor no matter who you pick from the current squad, so I really don't know.
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You're not wrong, I have done a complete backflip on Styris and i'm happy to admit I was wrong and scoff down the humble pie.

Williamson has to come in...Elliott is looking so at sea at the moment it's painful and Redmond is average. Williamson's start to international cricket sucked, but he's not going to get better without experience and his offies are really underrated.

Tuffey obviously for McKay. Wouldn't mind Bennett getting a go either, just to see what he's like...have never seen him bowl before.
 
Black_Warrior

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
Polo23 said:
No.

I'd say NZ are still incredibly ****house against spin. Shuvo was accurate, but didn't really do much, the NZ batsmen just had no idea...bar maybe Taylor, but that always seems to be the case anyway. If we ever needed someone last night, it was Scott Styris, a good player of spin and someone prepared to do the hard work.
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Well you can say the same thing about New Zealand seam bowlers when Bangladesh go there...all they do is pitch it in the right area and Bangladeshi batsmen cannot play swing...
you can say the same thing about Anderson and Broad..all they did was pitch it in the right areas and Pakistani batsmen crumbled.

Being accurate and pitching it in the right places is part of bowling well.. Its amazing how Cricket Web seems to undervalue lesser teams and lesser bowlers but will go on and on about Johnson or Swann or Sehwag.
 
Black_Warrior

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
This is why he is the right man for the job.

New Zealand in Bangladesh 2010: 'Now 4-0 is very possible' - Shakib Al Hasan | Cricket News | Bangladesh v New Zealand | Cricinfo.com


Its his attitude...He never lets a win get to his head unlike his predecessors like Ashraful or Bashar. He realizes there are still areas for improvement and he is quick to point out the flaws and mistakes Bangladesh made..He is right..Kayes did throw away his wicket after a start which in another match would have hurt them.

The tactical blunders will improve with time..as he plays more matches but its his attitude towards the game and his team that makes him the right man for the job for Bangladesh
 
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Polo23

International Debutant
Black_Warrior said:
Well you can say the same thing about New Zealand seam bowlers when Bangladesh go there...all they do is pitch it in the right area and Bangladeshi batsmen cannot play swing...
you can say the same thing about Anderson and Broad..all they did was pitch it in the right areas and Pakistani batsmen crumbled.

Being accurate and pitching it in the right places is part of bowling well.. Its amazing how Cricket Web seems to undervalue lesser teams and lesser bowlers but will go on and on about Johnson or Swann or Sehwag.
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Yes, being accurate is part of bowling well, so is doing something with the ball (drift, dip, spin for spinners) none of which Shuvo had a lot of. Take a look at Shuvo's wickets...Ryder had a brain explosion and hit one straight down midwickets throat, Vettori leading edged a full toss and Stewart missed a straight one.

Shuvo bowled well, but the 3/14 was more reflective of NZ's inept batting, rather than Shuvo being unplayable.
 
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