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*Official* Australia vs Pakistan in England

Shifter

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Let's start again. People don't get upset because it's shorthand. In the UK it's an ethnic slur with a long negative history behind it. Like the n word.
There is no reason for it to be an ethnic slur. The ***holes who did and still do persecute Pakistani's use the shorthand for the same reason a normal person would want to use it.

Not to mention how a word is used is what gives it context. Its pretty easy to tell whats meant to be offensive and whats not. No one has used the shorthand in an offensive manner in this thread that I've seen.
 

Jarquis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Oh ffs.
I could call you a **** in good humour but it's still an offensive word and thus filtered.
To us posters from Britain the word is offensive, no matter what you say. Thus it'd be appreciated if you refrained from using it.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
There is no reason for it to be an ethnic slur. The ***holes who did and still do persecute Pakistani's use the shorthand for the same reason a normal person would want to use it.

Not to mention how a word is used is what gives it context. Its pretty easy to tell whats meant to be offensive and whats not. No one has used the shorthand in an offensive manner in this thread that I've seen.
It's an ethnic slur because it's an ethnic slur. Nothing to do with shorthand.

I don't see why anyone would be keen to use use a term which is considered very offensive in another part of the world. & it is, very offensive in the UK. It's not just directed towards Pakistanis, but anyone of sub-continental, Arab and even north African extraction too.
 

Shifter

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
It's an ethnic slur because it's an ethnic slur. Nothing to do with shorthand.
Its an ethnic slur because Pakistani happens to be a multi syllable word and so people will shorten it for convenience. Had it been a single syllable word then they would of used that exactly the same as they have used the shorthand and nothing would change.

Why can't you just accept that it's offensive to some people and not use it. It's not exactly hard is it?
Why should I be a slave to other peoples irrational whims and responses? Why can't people realise that its what is actually said that is important and not a solitary word?

That's the world we live in but that doesn't mean I have to follow along like a sheep.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Controversial but I agree with Shifter to an extent ITBT; context matters. I don't really believe in certain words being intrinsically offensive; it depends how you use them.
 

Jarquis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeh that's what it feels like dealing with people who are irrational/illogical. Which unfortunately happens to be most people.
It's what happens when dealing with people who won't make a small amount of effort to avoid offending a large contingent of the forum.
 

PhoenixFire

International Coach
Yeah, take a visit to Manningham and try and convince them that it isn't offensive. You'll probably end up leaving in a matchbox.
 

pasag

RTDAS
Yeh that's what it feels like dealing with people who are irrational/illogical. Which unfortunately happens to be most people.
The only one that has shown any irrationality in this thread is you. It's fine not to know about a racial slur in another country, but to show such pigheadedness after being educated in the etymology of the word makes you look like nothing more than a petty f00l.
 

Shifter

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Controversial but I agree with Shifter to an extent ITBT; context matters. I don't really believe in certain words being intrinsically offensive; it depends how you use them.
This. I love my wife has an entirely different meaning to I love ice cream even though the word love is used in both cases. Context matters, just like in cricket (see I can bring it back to cricket). If I had a real passion on this I wouldn't mind studying the subject, but sadly I'm too lazy.

As I don't want to make any more of an issue out of this on here now or in the future, I won't be lazy and will use Pakistani.
 
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four_or_six

Cricketer Of The Year
Controversial but I agree with Shifter to an extent ITBT; context matters. I don't really believe in certain words being intrinsically offensive; it depends how you use them.
True, but once someone tells you a word is extremely offensive in some countries, you just apologise and stop using it when talking to people from there, surely?
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Controversial but I agree with Shifter to an extent ITBT; context matters. I don't really believe in certain words being intrinsically offensive; it depends how you use them.
If you go ahead with your planned move to Yorkshire I wouldn't recommend using it in your new context.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
If you go ahead with your planned move to Yorkshire I wouldn't recommend using it in your new context.
I wouldn't use the word in case I was misunderstood. What I disagree with is people who clearly understand the context of something objecting to its usage based on how it may be interpreted if taken out of context.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Lol, come over to the UK, and call someone of Asian descent a **** and see how long you last.

It's a racial slur, so stop using it please.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
I wouldn't use the word in case I was misunderstood. What I disagree with is people who clearly understand the context of something objecting to its usage based on how it may be interpreted if taken out of context.
Well that's sort of the crux of the issue, isn't it? It's far from the realms of the impossible that a British Asian could view CW (public forum and all) and see a racial epithet being used and not be aware of the user's benign intent.

Don't think it'd reflect well on the site.
 

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