*Official* South Africa in West Indies

[WindieWeathers]

Talking about stats against England, Australia and South Africa.




See it yet? See it yet?

Someone said "most spinners have been better over the past 18 months" of which i said "most being Swann, Mishra and Singh? wow big surprise", so sorry!!, i'm afraid you've FAILED again on this one .

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Someone said "most spinners have been better over the past 18 months" of which i said "most being Swann, Mishra and Singh? wow big surprise", so sorry!!, i'm afraid you've FAILED again on this one .

All spinners in the last 18 months against SL, Pak, Ind, Aus, Eng, SA. Minimum of 15 wickets. Sorted by average.

Sigh.

Oh, and most.

 

[Jarquis]

Someone said "most spinners have been better over the past 18 months" of which i said "most being Swann, Mishra and Singh? wow big surprise", so sorry!!, i'm afraid you've FAILED again on this one .

The entire time the debate has been about their records against Eng, Aus and SA though.
Those are the goalposts you created, and are now trying to move.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Okay, you've been warned about antagonising. It's a public forum. If you want to have private conversations, do it elsewhere please. All discussions on public CW forums are just that. Anyone can participate, once conducting him/herself in an acceptable way. And yes, Marcuss has.

Your equivalent of "butt out" is not valid here.

It's no big deal Mr M!!, it was just a joke hence the smiley!!, and to be honest it does take two to tango!!.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

It's no big deal Mr M!!, it was just a joke hence the smiley!!, and to be honest it does take two to tango!!.

And people are willing to tango nicely, but you continue to call them out. The joke wasn't funny the first time, and it certainly hasn't been funny the times since you were warned about it.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Someone said "most spinners have been better over the past 18 months" of which i said "most being Swann, Mishra and Singh? wow big surprise", so sorry!!, i'm afraid you've FAILED again on this one .

All spinners in the last 18 months against SL, Pak, Ind, Aus, Eng, SA. Minimum of 15 wickets. Sorted by average.

Sigh.

Oh, and most.

And before you ask, I've included SL, Pak, Ind because you can't tell me they're traditionally not at least as good at playing spin as the other teams listed.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Sigh.

Oh, and most.

I merely talked about the conversation that took place earlier on this thread!!, where did i mention "stats" in that post?!! oops i forgot you have a habbit of distorting my views, i should have known better!! .

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I merely talked about the conversation that took place earlier on this thread!!, where did i mention "stats" in that post?!! oops i forgot you have a habbit of distorting my views, i should have known better!! .

Because the stats - i.e. what actually happened in the real world - directly contradict what you said. But whatever. Irrelevant. Strike it from the records, your Honour!

 

[WindieWeathers]

Because the stats - i.e. what actually happened in the real world - directly contradict what you said. But whatever. Irrelevant. Strike it from the records, your Honour!

But again i'll ask WHERE DID I MENTION STATS?!! i merely went through a conversation i had with someone else who accused me of saying "Swann played against England", so you've totally taken the debate in a different direction, if you want to accuse me of "contradiction" in this case then PROVE IT!!, just like i did when you tried to defend Ramdin!!, i certainly didn't need a "judge" for that, the evidence was compelling!! .

 

[WindieWeathers]

The entire time the debate has been about their records against Eng, Aus and SA though.
Those are the goalposts you created, and are now trying to move.

The "goalposts" are in your imagination i'm afraid!! , your claim is merely speculative, not conclusive like your "Harris played against South Africa" gaffe!! .

 

[WindieWeathers]

And people are willing to tango nicely, but you continue to call them out. The joke wasn't funny the first time, and it certainly hasn't been funny the times since you were warned about it.

And where was i "warned" about saying certain members try to talk for others? care to provide the evidence please?!! .

 

[Howsie]

Like i said before most of the other spinners haven't been up against three of the top four sides in the world!! , so your argument doesn't hold up i'm afraid, had Benn have faced Nz, Bang and Pak in that period there's a good chance he would have had much better stats like the others.

And what do you mean "his performances between then"? we played England away of which none of the players performed because they said it was too cold and then the players went on strike!!, his next Test was against the Aussies.

Is that a joke or are you actually being serious? How about if I was to say that Benn's 4fer (his eight wicket performance) that you keep bringing up from 18 months ago didn't count because England played terribly that test and it was far too hot for them to perform, would you have a problem with that? I've got a sneaking suspicion you would

As for the whole "If Benn had been playing teams like Bangladesh and New Zealand" he'd probably have better stats debate. Perhaps, but we would only be speculating wouldn't we? I'd say it's just safer to go with his test record against these teams (and he's only played New Zealand btw) with which he averages well over 100, so it would probably be safe to assume he wouldn't

 

[Howsie]

Am i saying he's the best spinner around though? people are claiming "he's not test class" and yet you're going out of your way to compare him to the best one's i.e Swann and Singh? Harris is on that list and having seen both him and Benn on the same pitch lately could you honestly say he's better?!! .

No, but Harris isn't test class either

 

[WindieWeathers]

Is that a joke or are you actually being serious? How about if I was to say that Benn's 4fer (his eight wicket performance) that you keep bringing up from 18 months ago didn't count because England played terribly that test and it was far too hot for them to perform, would you have a problem with that? I've got a sneaking suspicion you would

As for the whole "If Benn had been playing teams like Bangladesh and New Zealand" he'd probably have better stats debate. Perhaps, but we would only be speculating wouldn't we? I'd say it's just safer to go with his test record against these teams (and he's only played New Zealand btw) with which he averages well over 100, so it would probably be safe to assume he wouldn't

It was the players own views!!, NOT MINE!!, the fact that we played England a mere month after we beat them didn't help matters either, it was a rushed series put together at the last minuet because Sri-Lanka pulled out so i think the players had an excuse there, and like i've said before at the time we played NZ i thought he was garbage, after that series he began to improve and he's a different player today, trying to deny that would be frivolous in the extreme.

 

[WindieWeathers]

No, but Harris isn't test class either

And according to the recent "stats" neither is Vettori apparently!! .

 

[Beamer]

Benn is a vastly improved performer and would probably have decent stats if he had bowled lots against Bangladesh. That is a given, but he still has a lot to do before I will start bigging him up as much as WW is. Kemar Roach on the other hand, is something to shout about for all West Indies fans and we really need spmething to shout about during these dark times.

Also, I know people say Harris has better stats than a number of spinners etc but have you seen the guy bowl recently? He hardly turns it off the straight even on dustbowls. No statistician is going to persuade me that Harris is a better bowler than Benn. I have been watching cricket for years and back myself to spot a decent spinner when I see one. Benn is not all that but he is improving and is at least a half decent finger spinner in the making. Harris on the other hand, is a deplorable left arm spinner.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Benn is a vastly improved performer and would probably have decent stats if he had bowled lots against Bangladesh. That is a given, but he still has a lot to do before I will start bigging him up as much as WW is. Kemar Roach on the other hand, is something to shout about for all West Indies fans and we really need spmething to shout about during these dark times.

Also, I know people say Harris has better stats than a number of spinners etc but have you seen the guy bowl recently? He hardly turns it off the straight even on dustbowls. No statistician is going to persuade me that Harris is a better bowler than Benn. I have been watching cricket for years and back myself to spot a decent spinner when I see one. Benn is not all that but he is improving and is at least a half decent finger spinner in the making. Harris on the other hand, is a deplorable left arm spinner.

Trust me Beamer i'm not saying Benn is some kind of "genius", i've said countless times Swann is the main man and i enjoy watching him, i think Shilly has a future and our biggest hope for the future is probably 18 year old Jamaican leggy Akeem Dewar who looks like a very good prospect, as for Roach, yes the kid has done us proud again, he desperately needs some support though, how good do you think he can be? can he be as good as Steyn in the next few years? i sure hope so.

 

[Prince EWS]

And according to the recent "stats" neither is Vettori apparently!! .

Yeah and Howsie's already admitted in this thread that he doesn't think Vettori is Test class as a specialist bowler.

 

[Howsie]

It was the players own views!!, NOT MINE!!, the fact that we played England a mere month after we beat them didn't help matters either, it was a rushed series put together at the last minuet because Sri-Lanka pulled out so i think the players had an excuse there, and like i've said before at the time we played NZ i thought he was garbage, after that series he began to improve and he's a different player today, trying to deny that would be frivolous in the extreme.

So what you're saying is that along with being bowler who avergaes over 40 with the ball, Sulieman Benn also has a attitude problem and will only show up when he wants to play, yeah true test class bowler right there

 

[Cruxdude]

Benn is a vastly improved performer and would probably have decent stats if he had bowled lots against Bangladesh. That is a given, but he still has a lot to do before I will start bigging him up as much as WW is. Kemar Roach on the other hand, is something to shout about for all West Indies fans and we really need spmething to shout about during these dark times.

Also, I know people say Harris has better stats than a number of spinners etc but have you seen the guy bowl recently? He hardly turns it off the straight even on dustbowls. No statistician is going to persuade me that Harris is a better bowler than Benn. I have been watching cricket for years and back myself to spot a decent spinner when I see one. Benn is not all that but he is improving and is at least a half decent finger spinner in the making. Harris on the other hand, is a deplorable left arm spinner.

I pretty much agree word for word with you.