*Official* South Africa in West Indies

[Shri]

Abdv, what a champ.

 

[Beamer]

Only caught the end of the replayed coverage but it looks as if Kallis made one of the more eventful 0 not outs. Match referee will have been busy after the game.

Roach has now royally roughed up two of the greats of the game in Ponting and Kallis. What a prospect he is, it's just such a shame that he had no pace bowling support in this series.

It's also a shame that he behaved like a complete idiot at the end of the game and will lose his entire match fee (quite rightly too). But using other peoples logic, Kallis must be the guilty party because Roach has a completely clean record whilst Kallis is a moody git who always abuses the batsman

 

[WindieWeathers]

Here you are Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com

As for asking why you bring up that England performance from Feburary 2009, well it's just that you seem to skip from then all the way till his 5-155 performance against Australia, no mention of his performances between then?

0-143
2-58
1-106
1-64
2-84
2-146
2-86

Like i said before most of the other spinners haven't been up against three of the top four sides in the world!! , so your argument doesn't hold up i'm afraid, had Benn have faced Nz, Bang and Pak in that period there's a good chance he would have had much better stats like the others.

And what do you mean "his performances between then"? we played England away of which none of the players performed because they said it was too cold and then the players went on strike!!, his next Test was against the Aussies.

 

[marc71178]

Like i said before most of the other spinners haven't been up against three of the top four sides in the world!! , so your argument doesn't hold up i'm afraid, had Benn have faced Nz, Bang and Pak in that period there's a good chance he would have had much better stats like the others.

Sorry WW here are the figures for at least 20 wickets since 2008 AGAINST Eng, SA, and Aus.

Still at the bottom

Try again.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Sorry WW here are the figures for at least 20 wickets since 2008 AGAINST Eng, SA, and Aus.

Still at the bottom

Am i saying he's the best spinner around though? people are claiming "he's not test class" and yet you're going out of your way to compare him to the best one's i.e Swann and Singh? Harris is on that list and having seen both him and Benn on the same pitch lately could you honestly say he's better?!! .

 

[WindieWeathers]

Try again.

I hadn't even seen that post but oh look you're talking for others AGAIN!! .

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Am i saying he's the best spinner around though? people are claiming "he's not test class" and yet you're going out of your way to compare him to the best one's i.e Swann and Singh? Harris is on that list and having seen both him and Benn on the same pitch lately could you honestly say he's better?!! .

But you definitely did say this:
"Like i said before most of the other spinners haven't been up against three of the top four sides in the world!! , so your argument doesn't hold up i'm afraid"

And that link directly contradicts that statement. Short term memory fail.

 

[Jarquis]

I hadn't even seen that post but oh look you're talking for others AGAIN!! .

You're not having a series of 40 different arguments here. You're arguing one point and there a group of others arguing the contrary. Nobody is speaking on behalf of one another.
Anyway, try reading the entire thread before replying, means people don't have to say the same things more than once and you don't have to make points which have already been answered.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

means people don't have to say the same things more than once and you don't have to make points which have already been answered.

Guess again. You must be new to this style of debate.

Marcuss, meet WindieWeathers.

 

[Jarquis]

Harris is on that list and having seen both him and Benn on the same pitch lately could you honestly say he's better?!! .

Was he better than Benn in the most recent Test? No.
Has he been for the majority of his career, including the last two years and Test matches against England, Australia and South Africa? Then yes, yes he has been better.

 

[Jarquis]

Guess again. You must be new to this style of debate.

Marcuss, meet WindieWeathers.

Yeah, I've seen him before. Debates which go round and round in circles are annoying enough as it is.
Though when the circles are made bigger because one person can't be bothered to read a thread to the end before replying. Then that's even more annoying.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

(Harris played) Test matches against England, Australia and South Africa?

Now that is impressive.

Yeah, I've seen him before. Debates which go round and round in circles are annoying enough as it is.
Though when the circles are made bigger because one person can't be bothered to read a thread to the end before replying. Then that's even more annoying.

Si. I can certainly identify with that.

 

[WindieWeathers]

But you definitely did say this:
"Like i said before most of the other spinners haven't been up against three of the top four sides in the world!! , so your argument doesn't hold up i'm afraid"

And that link directly contradicts that statement. Short term memory fail.

I'm talking about over the PAST 18 MONTHS!!, The likes of Mendis hasn't, Vettori hasn't, i'm not sure Kaneria has either, "MOST" doesn't mean "ALL" Mr M!! .

 

[WindieWeathers]

You're not having a series of 40 different arguments here. You're arguing one point and there a group of others arguing the contrary. Nobody is speaking on behalf of one another.
Anyway, try reading the entire thread before replying, means people don't have to say the same things more than once and you don't have to make points which have already been answered.

Excuse me are you a Moderator? i don't see the tag so until then i'll post in whatever style i like thanks!!.

 

[Jarquis]

Now that is impressive.

Si. I can certainly identify with that.

When comparing their respective records against those sides
Obviously Harris's record doesn't contain any games against South Africa, so including it in the filter makes no difference to him

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I'm talking about over the PAST 18 MONTHS!!, The likes of Mendis hasn't, Vettori hasn't, i'm not sure Kaneria has either, "MOST" doesn't mean "ALL" Mr M!! .

Certainly. I think the ICC has done a disservice by not ensuring that every team met SA, Australia, England in the last 18 months. For the purposes of comparison with Benn, of course. Alas they've contrived to help a pro-Benn argument.

I'm with you now, sir. Let's take on the world together!

PS - One concern. The stats do show that most have been better. But moving on!

 

[Jarquis]

Excuse me are you a Moderator? i don't see the tag so until then i'll post in whatever style i like thanks!!.

No, but the other guy in this discussion, that agreed with me, is.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Excuse me are you a Moderator? i don't see the tag so until then i'll post in whatever style i like thanks!!.

Not if it's antagonistic. And if you're constantly telling people not to get involved in your (apparently private) conversations on a public forum, some may consider it antagonistic.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Was he better than Benn in the most recent Test? No.
Has he been for the majority of his career, including the last two years and Test matches against England, Australia and South Africa? Then yes, yes he has been better.

Like Mr M pointed out that's just a total FAIL!! , furthermore Benn has only came to prominence over the past 18 months, just like Swann has, Benn's whole career stats might not be the greatest, but as we saw in this last Test the man is dangerous and can take wickets, it's as simple as that.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Certainly. I think the ICC has done a disservice by not ensuring that every team met SA, Australia, England in the last 18 months. For the purposes of comparison with Benn, of course. Alas they've contrived to help a pro-Benn argument.

I'm with you now, sir. Let's take on the world together!

PS - One concern. The stats do show that most have been better. But moving on!

"Most" being the obvious one's such as Swann, Mishra and Singh? well what a surprise!! , i'm not surprised you're not backing Benn though Mr M, cause like we discussed before you totally wrote him off before backtracking the other day!! .