I agree entirely RE: Legacy. Cody Rhodes in particular strikes me as being totally generic. Ted DiBiase has promise though, but the way he has been built up has probably confused the audience somewhat. Orton now ending up as a face of sorts in this feud thing they have going strikes me as being totally the wrong way to have gone about it.
Kane was massive in terms of popularity and was gaining momentum until he got buried and has never recovered.
Personally I think Kane during his run between 03 and 04 was worth the rub as much as anyone else on the roster at the time. He was incredibly over and his matches throughout that period were probably the best he ever had. I'm not saying he would have been an incredible world champ for sure, but he sure as hell would have been worth a shot imo. Particularly when so much time around that period was filled up with HHH feuding with Kevin Nash and Scott Steiner etc...Fair enough. Not gonna get into a debate with you as well, I'm working (ish)and I like you too much for things to get heated
But
1. Triple H was never meant to be a Foley. We were always meant to believe that he was the best guy going around. While in the 02 feud he never did much for Jericho, let's not forget that Triple H set Y2J on his way to superstardom. He made him look a million dollars all year long, he may have won their LMS but buy did he put Jericho over. And I don't need something to be 'groundbreaking' for it to be good - I just need it to be good. Triple H had all the requirements for what I want out of a top wrestler, personally.
2. Can't agree on Ric Flair, pretty sure we've been there before though.
3. Kane was never worth anything after his one-night title reign in my eyes.
4. Fair enough on Shawn. I don't really care what people like are outside of the ring, just like most of my favourite footballers and cricketers are probably wankers.
On a side note, silver vision are having a Mania sale and I've just ordered the 19 DVD, haha.
Yeah, this. Last few pages of discussion have been great, reminds me of the good ol' days.
Yeah I agree. Kane was huge for a while. Such a shame.
I don't think I'll ever watch a better PPV or wrestling card ever. Can safely say it too.
What really sucks is that on the DVD release (or at least subsequent DVD releases) they lost the copyright and have dubbed over it with some other generic rock track, which sucks balls. Particularly seeing as the whole Rock/Austin promo thing was built around My Way.
That's devastating. Oh well, there are still the original promos on youtube. So good to watch.
Disagree, I think orton as an anti-face makes sense. Let's be honest, when he was killing Triple H's family last year he was getting cheered anyway. There was no way people would cheer for Legacy over him. He is turning without changing and that's the important thing. See, Stone Cold, 1997.
If you buy the tagged classics it has everything in the original format, including no blurring of the F. That's the copy I have.
Hmmm, I'm not so sure, the guy is meant to be a seriously evil bad-ass heel...something about the whole dynamic just doesn't sit right for me. I honestly think that had Ted DiBiase been turned face by himself and Cody Rhodes had been left to stick with Orton or just straight out go away for some reason it would have worked out ok. It still will probably be fine, just strikes me as a strange way of doing things.
Gone soft.
HHH is just exremely smart in who he jobs to. He tapped out to Chris Benoit who albeit was a great wrestler, wasn't very charismatic and he tapped out to Cena who is a great entertainer, but not a very good wrestler. He wouldn't ever tapout to someone like Kurt Angle and Chris Jericho who are the total package (as in they can entertain and wrestle).
Because it was Jericho's feud with Triple H in 2000 that first saw him main event a PPV and first got him involved with the big guys. He beat HHH for the title in 2000 only for the decision to be reversed - the win meant nothing but the fact that he would be involved in such an angle did. And then in their LMS, Triple H beat him by half a second and couldn't stand after the match. You don't have to lose to someone to put him over and Jericho shouldn't have won that match, but it was a hell of a lot closer than you'd expect.
