**Official** West Indies domestic season 2010

[shivfan]

When is the t20 comp,all don';t you have one anymore since standford got locked up?

I think a tentative date has been set for mid-July....

For Barbados, Kraigg Brathwaite was out for 20, and for the Leewards, Powell made 33....

As I've said before, they both have talent, but they need time to adapt to FC level, before they're even considered for WI duties.

 

[WindieWeathers]

I think a tentative date has been set for mid-July....

For Barbados, Kraigg Brathwaite was out for 20, and for the Leewards, Powell made 33....

As I've said before, they both have talent, but they need time to adapt to FC level, before they're even considered for WI duties.

Yes Powell he made yet another 30 which is around five in a row now which shows consistency!! , he'll only get better and if he can get himself over 250 runs this season then i think he's done well.

It seems like everytime you reply on this thread you're making remarks about the young players i've bigged up Mike, yet there was no comment when Shiv only got 23 runs the other day?!! calm down Mike it's not that serious .

Furthermore Dowrich took three good catches behind the stump, Barath done well and apparently Darren Bravo was still looking like Lara out there in his first game back from injury, Fletcher was wicketkeeper for Winward's again too.

Judging by the crap we've seen over the last few weeks i still maintain that i'd rather see some of these youngsters play against Zimbabwe than those jokers in Australia running around in the great WI shirt.

 

[roseboy64]

Consistently getting out for mediocre scores? Yes. Consistent 100s is the only thing to get excited about, until then Powell's just another mediocre player. Sorry to be a downer but guys his age are doing much better in other countries and it's they he'll be compared with.

 

[shivfan]

Powell needs to make the kind of runs Shiv is now making for Guyana before he can consider replacing him in the WI side....

I see Holder was again omitted from the Barbados side, and Corey Edwards then proceeded to take a six-fer against Jamaica.

 

[Craig]

Adrian Barath and Darren Bravo come back for Trinidad, but left out is former WI spinner Dave Mohammed....

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Powell needs to make the kind of runs Shiv is now making for Guyana before he can consider replacing him in the WI side....

I see Holder was again omitted from the Barbados side, and Corey Edwards then proceeded to take a six-fer against Jamaica.

Yeah I saw that as well and I was going to come in here and post it, but never mind. Fair play to him. Knowing the WI selectors will probably soon fast track him into the team, even though I wouldn't and try and organise 'A' team tours (although money may be a concern?) and give him a go.

They really need to bring back the West Indies 'B' team for the FC competition.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Powell needs to make the kind of runs Shiv is now making for Guyana before he can consider replacing him in the WI side....

I see Holder was again omitted from the Barbados side, and Corey Edwards then proceeded to take a six-fer against Jamaica.

What about Bess Mike? how many wickets has he got this season? Shiv's on 80 for Guyana i see, pity he hasn't done that for around a year in the WI Shirt isn't it? .

 

[roseboy64]

What about Bess Mike? how many wickets has he got this season? Shiv's on 80 for Guyana i see, pity he hasn't done that for around a year in the WI Shirt isn't it? .

Around 4 Tests. Players can't have bad runs for a few Tests now?

 

[WindieWeathers]

Consistently getting out for mediocre scores? Yes. Consistent 100s is the only thing to get excited about, until then Powell's just another mediocre player. Sorry to be a downer but guys his age are doing much better in other countries and it's they he'll be compared with.

If he gets over 200 runs this year isn't that a decent return? Andre Fletcher is one of the biggest run getters this season and he hasn't got a 100 yet (his highest has been 80) but that doesn't mean he isn't a good batter does it?.

 

[roseboy64]

If he gets over 200 runs this year isn't that a decent return? Andre Fletcher is one of the biggest run getters this season and he hasn't got a 100 yet (his highest has been 80) but that doesn't mean he isn't a good batter does it?.

Never said anything about Fletcher. He's starting to get back to some sort of form in FC and now needs to convert a few of those scores in to 100s. Credit to him but none to Pwell as 30s are nothing note worthy unless you team makes 100 every innings.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Around 4 Tests. Players can't have bad runs for a few Tests now?

I'm just pointing out the facts, until we start calling out these so called "superstars" they'll continue to serve up garbage, if Mike wants to boast about Chanders knock for Guyana today it's only fair to make him aware of what Shiv's done in the WI shirt recently!! .

 

[WindieWeathers]

Never said anything about Fletcher. He's starting to get back to some sort of form in FC and now needs to convert a few of those scores in to 100s. Credit to him but none to Pwell as 30s are nothing note worthy unless you team makes 100 every innings.

IMO expecting "100's" every match is unrealistic, the only person who's got a 100 more than once is Ramdin, yes Powell's got a few 30's but he's also got 40's and was very close to a 50 the other day, i just have high hopes for him, others might want to keep "dads army" in the side forever but i'm looking to the future right now, the clowns in the WI side today simply aren't good enough.

 

[Craig]

I don't think anybody is knocking Fletcher for getting 80's, that in it's self is decent enough, but it is important that batsmen do get centuries. If your not scoring them at FC level, then how will you score them at Test level. I also don't think 30's and 40's (Powell) are worthy to be selected to the WI team (even if it is Zimbabwe), and it is enough to replace those in the team? Only thing you are going by is his age? If he was making 80's consistently, then I would probably tend to agree with you. I would say in time he will get a run. Just not yet.

I don't think anybody really rates Travis Dowlin that much, he is somebody who has made the most of his ability, which isn't a great deal (FC average of 30 FFS), and is only getting a game because of the scores of injuries in the WI team. I have never though of Runako Morton that much, except that he is a nut case of the highest order, and again injuries is the reason he is picked. I mean he is solid as WI domestic FC batsmen go, but he is gash at Test level. If guys like Darren Bravo and Kraigg Braithwaite can step up then I don't see how Dowlin or Morton should ever get a game again, barring a massive injury crisis.

To me if you want to replace these 'clowns' (your words not mine), and replace them with younger players, fine, but they have to have very strong performances to replace them, other then then their ages (under 20) and their potential. If you are going to replace the mediocrity, then you shouldn't just replace them with youngsters who are not ready nor good enough. Perhaps they will be, give them time.

Anyway I doubt you will agree, as you haven't already, so that my say on the matter.

On a different topic, this Veerasammy Permaul lad from Guyana looks a solid performer at FC and List A level. At nothing else he is very accurate.

 

[WindieWeathers]

I don't think anybody is knocking Fletcher for getting 80's, that in it's self is decent enough, but it is important that batsmen do get centuries. If your not scoring them at FC level, then how will you score them at Test level. I also don't think 30's and 40's (Powell) are worthy to be selected to the WI team (even if it is Zimbabwe), and it is enough to replace those in the team? Only thing you are going by is his age? If he was making 80's consistently, then I would probably tend to agree with you. I would say in time he will get a run. Just not yet.

I don't think anybody really rates Travis Dowlin that much, he is somebody who has made the most of his ability, which isn't a great deal (FC average of 30 FFS), and is only getting a game because of the scores of injuries in the WI team. I have never though of Runako Morton that much, except that he is a nut case of the highest order, and again injuries is the reason he is picked. I mean he is solid as WI domestic FC batsmen go, but he is gash at Test level. If guys like Darren Bravo and Kraigg Braithwaite can step up then I don't see how Dowlin or Morton should ever get a game again, barring a massive injury crisis.

To me if you want to replace these 'clowns' (your words not mine), and replace them with younger players, fine, but they have to have very strong performances to replace them, other then then their ages (under 20) and their potential. If you are going to replace the mediocrity, then you shouldn't just replace them with youngsters who are not ready nor good enough. Perhaps they will be, give them time.

Anyway I doubt you will agree, as you haven't already, so that my say on the matter.

On a different topic, this Veerasammy Permaul lad from Guyana looks a solid performer at FC and List A level. At nothing else he is very accurate.

You've made some good points, with Powell of course it's hard to argue his point if he cant start getting above 50's soon, i think my anger from the embarrassing defeats lately lead me to call for drastic changes, i know my calls would probably never transpire but i just feel if we tried some young players for two ODI's we might find some serious talent we can build around, as for Permaul, i was rooting for him before but i'm not sure he's ready yet, the spinners who are making a name for themselves are Kavesh Kantasingh and Imran Khan are who 3rd and 1st respectively in the 'most wickets taken' tally for the season.

 

[shivfan]

Shiv gets his century!

That's how it's done....

That's what the promising youngsters need to learn to do, before there can be talk of any of them replacing him in the WI side.

 

[shivfan]

What about Bess Mike? how many wickets has he got this season? Shiv's on 80 for Guyana i see, pity he hasn't done that for around a year in the WI Shirt isn't it? .

Bess has bowled well, and I'm sure he'll be in consideration....

roseboy is right - you can't judge Shiv on just his last four Tests, especially when there's nobody really knocking down the door to come into the side. What has Shiv's average been in test cricket for the past year? Or the past 10 Tests? If you're going to drop a player every time he has a bad Test match, then Barath would be out of the side, after his failures in the last Test he played....

IMHO, our young batsmen not only need to hit big scores on a regular basis in the domestic competition, but they also need to reach three figures at least once. And I believe they need to finish among the top ten run-getters as well....

Shiv has hit a century this round so far. Who else do you think will emulate him?

 

[WindieWeathers]

Shiv gets his century!

That's how it's done....

That's what the promising youngsters need to learn to do, before there can be talk of any of them replacing him in the WI side.

You mean "promising youngsters" like Ramdin who's done it twice already? that hasn't helped him getting runs at International level has it? i'd rather focus on their technique to be honest, the likes of Darren Bravo clearly knows how to bat even if he isn't getting 100's every innings.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Bess has bowled well, and I'm sure he'll be in consideration....

roseboy is right - you can't judge Shiv on just his last four Tests, especially when there's nobody really knocking down the door to come into the side. What has Shiv's average been in test cricket for the past year? Or the past 10 Tests? If you're going to drop a player every time he has a bad Test match, then Barath would be out of the side, after his failures in the last Test he played....

IMHO, our young batsmen not only need to hit big scores on a regular basis in the domestic competition, but they also need to reach three figures at least once. And I believe they need to finish among the top ten run-getters as well....

Shiv has hit a century this round so far. Who else do you think will emulate him?

Erm Barath got a 100 against the Aussies though unlike Shiv , you keep going on about "100's" but as i've said already Fletcher hasn't got a 100 and yet he's right up there on the most runs list, Ryan Hinds has got a hundred so should we have him back? it doesn't work like that Mike, if the young batters get over 200 runs this season i believe that's a decent return, they will only improve with experience, Shiv's simply been poor for a long time and if we continue to make excuses for these stars then WI will remain at the bottom of the rankings list.

 

[King Pietersen]

You mean "promising youngsters" like Ramdin who's done it twice already? that hasn't helped him getting runs at International level has it? i'd rather focus on their technique to be honest, the likes of Darren Bravo clearly knows how to bat even if he isn't getting 100's every innings.

But if they're not scoring heaps of runs in West Indian domestic cricket, how on earth can they be expected to perform at the highest level?

I'm amazed at the way you continue to talk down the likes of Gayle and Chanderpaul, despite them scoring genuinely impressive runs at the highest level in the recent past. Gayle scored 2 excellent hundreds in the Test series against Australia, and Chanderpaul's only had 4 bad games; which is surely something you can let him get away with considering his averages in his 5 series before the 2 he's failed in have produced batting averages of 82, 43, 147, 101 and 59? I'm failing to see how someone like Darren Bravo could come in and score consistent runs like Chanderpaul has done, at the highest level, when he's not even capable of doing it in domestic cricket. Getting rid of proven class talent and replacing them with youngsters that aren't ready for the International arena is what will keep you rooted to the bottom of the rankings list, not the other way round.

 

[Beamer]

Barath makes 58 and 79 on comeback. Unfortunately he gave away 2 centuries with loose strokes against Rawl Lewis. Darren Bravo is currently on 41 not out having made 36 in the 1st innings. Encouraging comebacks for the two youngsters then but they need to try and kick on next week in the final round.

Meanwhile Braithwaite made a brilliant 20 not out to steer Barbados home against Jamaica (). In all seriousness though he looks the goods and although he got out after getting a start in 3/4 innings he just looks the part. I reckon he will be in the West Indies test team by the start of next years home series after dominating an A team tour and having a prolific domestic tournament. I'm sort of with WindieWeathers when it comes to KB as he clearly has the technique and attitude to succeed at test level but I'd prefer it if he has at least a1 years worth of FC domination before introducing him to international cricket.

Edit: Bravo goes for 42 trying to get quick runs to speed up the declaration. I seem to have developed some fine goatmouth skills......

 

[roseboy64]

Match between T&T and Jamaica next round decides who between Jamaica and Barbados win the competition.