**Official** West Indies domestic season 2010

[WindieWeathers]

Referring back to Xavier Marshall is not living in the past - it's an instructive case which we need to learn from....

Of course Barath had ups and downs, but crucially he scored several centuries for Trinidad before forcing his way into the WI side. Powell, Braithwaite, Corbin, Chandrika and Dowrich need to do that first before we call them up....

Yesterday, Corbin was out for 34, and Chadrika for 32, while Dowrich only made 24. We need more from them. And before anyone jumps on my reference to one innings, I haven't seen anything to indicate that these scores aren't abherrations right now!

They need more time in the middle, in order to improve....

Omari Banks took a seven-fer as well....

You are living in the past if you keep talking about a player who isn't even being considered for WI anymore and was dropped from the Jamaica squad, anyway you're gonna judge players on a game to game basis what about Corbin getting a 70 against Guyana two games ago? you just have to look at Gayles form to see even experienced batters at international level don't get 100's or even 40's every game, judge them all when the season is over.

 

[shivfan]

You are living in the past if you keep talking about a player who isn't even being considered for WI anymore and was dropped from the Jamaica squad, anyway you're gonna judge players on a game to game basis what about Corbin getting a 70 against Guyana two games ago? you just have to look at Gayles form to see even experienced batters at international level don't get 100's or even 40's every game, judge them all when the season is over.

Those who don't learn from the mistakes of history are condemned to repeat them....

For that, read Marshall vs Barath. Do you want Powell and Brathwaite to be another Barath, or another Marshall? Then, decide which path you want them to follow. At the moment, you're calling for them to follow the path of Marshall.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Those who don't learn from the mistakes of history are condemned to repeat them....

What you mean like Gayle getting out to Bollinger five times in a row?

For that, read Marshall vs Barath. Do you want Powell and Brathwaite to be another Barath, or another Marshall? Then, decide which path you want them to follow. At the moment, you're calling for them to follow the path of Marshall.

We should judge every youngster by their OWN merits, not the failure of Marshall, i remember saying the same thing when i was calling for Barath to be included last year and you made similar excuses.

 

[shivfan]

If we're going to judge every young player on his own merits, then he has to do something to merit attention....

Powell and Brathwaite haven't merited attention yet. Also, I think it's foolhardy of you to dismiss the Marshall experience out of hand, and I'm quite relieved you're not a selector. Or at least, I hope you're not!

As for Barath, I was prepared to wait, and if you'd actually paid attention to my posts, I did say at the time that Barath was selected at the right time to play Bangladesh. Of course, we all know what happened then....

The selectors were right to make Barath wait, and they should do the same to Brathwaite and Powell. Let them wait until they're ready. Right now, they're not yet ready for regular WI duties. Maybe the occasional ODI cameo, but that's it, at this stage.

 

[shivfan]

Going into today's final day, Windwards are building their charge around Andre Fletcher, who's 72 not out. Can he become the first centurion on this round? The batting has been very disappointing in this round so far. None of the pretenders have really staked a claim to WI selection with their batting....

Guyana continue to struggle against Barbados, and they're pinning their hopes for survival on Chanderpaul, who's batting with keeper Christian now.

The Jamaica-CCC match is on a knife-edge, with the Schoolers looking to Reifer and Corbin to lead their run-chase....

 

[WindieWeathers]

If we're going to judge every young player on his own merits, then he has to do something to merit attention....

Powell and Brathwaite haven't merited attention yet. Also, I think it's foolhardy of you to dismiss the Marshall experience out of hand, and I'm quite relieved you're not a selector. Or at least, I hope you're not!

As for Barath, I was prepared to wait, and if you'd actually paid attention to my posts, I did say at the time that Barath was selected at the right time to play Bangladesh. Of course, we all know what happened then....

The selectors were right to make Barath wait, and they should do the same to Brathwaite and Powell. Let them wait until they're ready. Right now, they're not yet ready for regular WI duties. Maybe the occasional ODI cameo, but that's it, at this stage.

Erm Powell "hasn't merited attention" and yet he SOMEHOW played against Bangladesh and has TWO ODI appearances to his name? yeah your spot on Mike , as for Barath, you had a whole list of excuses like you do now, it's almost word for word but needless to say the excuses stopped after his knock against the Aussies!!, and believe me Mike i'm also grateful you aren't responsible for selecting players as you'd only be picking over aged pensioners for the next 4 years!!! LOL, btw did you see Shivs first innings the other day? 23 runs? OUCH!!, and there was you mocking Dowrich's 24 the other day and talking about "100's"

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Erm Powell "hasn't merited attention" and yet he SOMEHOW played against Bangladesh and has TWO ODI appearances to his name?

Classic.

A guy who gets picked for an ODI against the weakest team in world cricket, when precisely 70% of players are unavailable. Right, that's merit.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Classic.

A guy who gets picked for an ODI against the weakest team in world cricket, when precisely 70% of players are unavailable. Right, that's merit.

I take it you didn't see him play INDIA in an ODI then? let me guess he didn't get that spot on "merit" either right?

 

[roseboy64]

Lambert took 8 in the second innings and Brown 2 to win the match for Jamaica. Interestingly, Brown and Lambert both took 10 wickets in the match.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I take it you didn't see him play INDIA in an ODI then? let me guess he didn't get that spot on "merit" either right?

In a little tournament called the Champions Trophy. One where, you guessed it, roughly 70% of players were overlooked for selection. Context.

 

[WindieWeathers]

In a little tournament called the Champions Trophy. One where, you guessed it, roughly 70% of players were overlooked for selection. Context.

He's still got experience at that level Mr M which was the my main point, plus didn't Darren Bravo play in that match too? so maybe the selectors just wanted to give some young players a chance.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

He's still got experience at that level Mr M which was the my main point, plus didn't Darren Bravo play in that match too? so maybe the selectors just wanted to give some young players a chance.

No, your main point was that he merited that experience. And now that I've shown you the context, you've changed that main point.

But sure he merited selection, in an environment where only about 40 players are available for selection to a touring squad. Sure. Note that he wasn't even a first choice pick in that squad either.

And btw, Darren Bravo played against India in an entirely different series, let alone a different match. But hey, thanks for confirming your confusion. Young players a chance? Like Devon Smith, Travis Dowlin, Floyd Reifer? No, the selectors picked who was available. By their own admission.

 

[WindieWeathers]

No, your main point was that he merited that experience. And now that I've shown you the context, you've changed that main point.

But sure he merited selection, in an environment where only about 40 players are available for selection to a touring squad. Sure. Note that he wasn't even a first choice pick in that squad either.

And btw, Darren Bravo played against India in an entirely different series, let alone a different match. But hey, thanks for confirming your confusion. Young players a chance? Like Devon Smith, Travis Dowlin, Floyd Reifer? No, the selectors picked who was available. By their own admission.

Wow look who's grumpy today!! , i know you like distorting my words Mr M but it really is getting tedious now , who mentioned "merit" first? YOU, Mike said "Powell hadn't had any attention on him" and i merely brought up his two ODI appearances for WI which suggests selectors had looked at him, whether he earned it or not really doesn't concern me my main point was HE'S GOT EXPERIENCE AT THAT LEVEL which is why picking him to face Bangledash isn't as big a "risk" as you and others seem to think,

As for getting Powell and Bravo's games against India mixed up, my bad, unlike you i couldn't be bothered to look at the teamsheet which is why i put a "?" the end of the quote, never the less Dowlin, Roach, Sammy, Tong and Smith are all out in Australia right now so maybe the side Powell was in wasn't as "poor" as you think.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Clearly confused again. I wasn't even involved in this conversation until i quoted your post:

Erm Powell "hasn't merited attention" and yet he SOMEHOW played against Bangladesh and has TWO ODI appearances to his name?

When you sort yourself out, maybe we can have a discussion.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

As for getting Powell and Bravo's games against India mixed up, my bad, unlike you i couldn't be bothered to look at the teamsheet which is why i put a "?" the end of the quote, never the less Dowlin, Roach, Sammy, Tong and Smith are all out in Australia right now so maybe the side Powell was in wasn't as "poor" as you think.

I didn't have to look at the teamsheets to know that Darren Bravo was one of the 90odd players who wasn't available for CT selection. Common sense did the rest.

And Devon Smith is not in Australia, Gavin Tonge is not very good, and Travis Dowlin is pretty much established as poor. None would have been anywhere near the team if not for the contract issues.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Clearly confused again. I wasn't even involved in this conversation until i quoted your post:



When you sort yourself out, maybe we can have a discussion.

Erm all you've done is quoted me quoting someone else and asking a question , where have i said Powell "merited" anything? If i'm "confused" Mr M you're clearly misguided.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Erm all you've done is quoted me quoting someone else and asking a question , where have i said Powell "merited" anything? If i'm "confused" Mr M you're clearly misguided.

Clearly.

Because I clearly brought up merit first. Clearly I'm the one who's confused.

 

[WindieWeathers]

I didn't have to look at the teamsheets to know that Darren Bravo was one of the 90odd players who wasn't available for CT selection. Common sense did the rest.

And Devon Smith is not in Australia, Gavin Tonge is not very good, and Travis Dowlin is pretty much established as poor. None would have been anywhere near the team if not for the contract issues.

I took a break from cricket when the strike happened so i guess that's where the Powell and Bravo confusion came from, and furthermore if you've been paying attention to my posts you'd know that the very reason i've been calling for some youngsters to get a chance is because the likes of Tong and Dowlin are playing for WI today.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Clearly.

Because I clearly brought up merit first. Clearly I'm the one who's confused.

The "merit" quote came from Shivfan first but my point is it's was YOU who brought it up during OUR debate, which is true isn't it? .

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I took a break from cricket when the strike happened so i guess that's where the Powell and Bravo confusion came from, and furthermore if you've been paying attention to my posts you'd know that the very reason i've been calling for some youngsters to get a chance is because the likes of Tong and Dowlin are playing for WI today.

Dowlin and Tonge are only playing because better players are unavailable. In the current ODI series 5 of WI 6 best players are injured.

And anyway, weren't you just justifying the quality of the CT squad by saying that Dowlin and Tonge were involved?

never the less Dowlin, Roach, Sammy, Tong and Smith are all out in Australia right now so maybe the side Powell was in wasn't as "poor" as you think.

All very interesting stuff. But I'm just confused as usual really.