*Official* Bangladesh in New Zealand

[Hurricane]

Picked as a batsman. Was a bit off that Guptill got a roll ahead of him though; he's definitely at least the sixth best OD bowler in the team.

Thanks.

 

[Polo23]

Man..that Broom guy needs to be dropped.

 

[DingDong]

Man..that Broom guy needs to be dropped.

U know ur stuff polo. Other guys gave been a disgrace

 

[Flem274*]

Lol went to work when we were 135/5, good to see Oram and Broom deal with the situation.

How did McKay bowl?

 

[thierry henry]

Man..that Broom guy needs to be dropped.

Broom scores runs once against a first-class standard side and you win the argument that he should be playing internationals?

 

[_Ed_]

How did McKay bowl?

I thought he was really impressive. He was sending them down leg too much against the left-handed openers, but he put the ball in some great areas against the righties later on.

His slightly slower bouncer that got the wicket of Imrul Kayes was very clever bowling.

And his speeds were consistently in the low 140s, and as high as 147. Very solid debut.

 

[Polo23]

Broom scores runs once against a first-class standard side and you win the argument that he should be playing internationals?

Showed his quality quite clearly. Obviously he is not "rubbish" as so many people have labeled him. Give him a bit of time to bat (like he had yesterday) and he'll come up trumps.

I'm still puzzled how almost everyone can write the guy off after 15 or so innings, almost all of which he's had to come in at the death and slog which is not his game, and he's been batting 2 positions lower than what he should for NZ. You bat most players 2 places out of position and they arent going to be as effective as they could.

 

[Flem274*]

When Broom gets out he does have a habit of looking really bad. He was dropped on 26 and his mode of dismissal was an LBW shout yorker which was denied and he tried to run, getting run out. Pretty dumb decision. Some of his shot choices whenever I've seen him bat are interesting.

Broom doesn't look much, but he's been very good domestically in FC so I'd like to see him have an opportunity in tests. Some of his shot choices might bring about his downfall though, but in tests he has the luxury of being allowed to wait for a bad ball. Maybe thats where his List A poorness comes from, his shot selection.

Dunno, I guess we'll see. Will be interesting though when Ryder and Elliott return, who gets dropped out of Ingram/Franklin/Broom if they all do well in the meantime.

 

[DIRK-NANNES]

Broom doesn't look much, but he's been very good domestically in FC so I'd like to see him have an opportunity in tests. Some of his shot choices might bring about his downfall though, but in tests he has the luxury of being allowed to wait for a bad ball. Maybe thats where his List A poorness comes from, his shot selection.

Several people say this, but only Taylor, Guptill and Ingram have better List A averages in this team.
Outside of the team, his average is slightly higher than Elliott's and similar to Styris' too.
Maybe Watling or Williamson or Stewart deserved a chance, but Ingram and Broom are on their way to justifying selection.

Broom doesn't have the number of tons that a limited over machine of a similar age like Taylor has, but his place in the team is warranted with his current form.
His technique is solid too.

Franklin as a batsman only is the only person out of place, Styris is probably the most deserving of his position at the moment.
It will be nice to have some selection dilemmas when Ryder and Elliott come back.

 

[Athlai]

Jeez the Franklin haters surely seem to be ignoring his last two years of domestic cricket here and in England. He's probably been one of the most prolific domestic scorers since he returned from injury. Even the commentators barely even note his recent domestic form and simply judge him by his past international record. Of course he may be a Sinclair in terms of domestic runs turning into international failures but he deserves a little more leeway than a single bat.

Other things to note are that our commentators don't seem to know anything about Bangladesh. Tamim > Ashraful easily in recent form yet Ashraful often gets called their best batsman. Shakib gets little mention of his value to their team (Banga's Vettori) and Rahim got rubbished a bit too much. The only Bangladeshi that I've really been ignorant about is this S Islam, jeez he looks a talent.

 

[Flem274*]

Jeez the Franklin haters surely seem to be ignoring his last two years of domestic cricket here and in England. He's probably been one of the most prolific domestic scorers since he returned from injury. Even the commentators barely even note his recent domestic form and simply judge him by his past international record. Of course he may be a Sinclair in terms of domestic runs turning into international failures but he deserves a little more leeway than a single bat.

Other things to note are that our commentators don't seem to know anything about Bangladesh. Tamim > Ashraful easily in recent form yet Ashraful often gets called their best batsman. Shakib gets little mention of his value to their team (Banga's Vettori) and Rahim got rubbished a bit too much. The only Bangladeshi that I've really been ignorant about is this S Islam, jeez he looks a talent.

Haha, was thinking that about him yesterday. I really hope he doesn't follow the Skippy route.

 

[thierry henry]

Showed his quality quite clearly.

Once again, that's a very odd way of looking at things.

Just two minor points

1. One innings in international cricket proves nothing, even if he played it against Hadlee/Marshall/Barnes/Lillee/Warne

2. Bangladesh are not an international quality side anyway

 

[Prince EWS]

Several people say this, but only Taylor, Guptill and Ingram have better List A averages in this team.
Outside of the team, his average is slightly higher than Elliott's and similar to Styris' too.

Elliott and Styris are strange cases though. Styris began his career as a bowler who batted down the order and his record is heavily effected by that. Elliott's record in South Africa was pretty poor but as I pointed when he was originally selected for New Zealand in ODIs, his record as a one day batsman since he made the move had been exceptional for three (or four?) seasons running.

Broom might score runs against Bangladesh in one day cricket when he's in the form of his life, but the thing about form is that it's a temporary state of improvement and intrinsically cyclical. His form will drop back down to normal standards and I don't think he'll last as an ODI batsman, personally. Tests are an entirely different matter though; he fully deserves his chance there.

 

[Athlai]

Elliott and Styris are strange cases though. Styris began his career as a bowler who batted down the order and his record is heavily effected by that. Elliott's record in South Africa was pretty poor but as I pointed when he was originally selected for New Zealand in ODIs, his record as a one day batsman since he made the move had been exceptional for three (or four?) seasons running.

Broom might score runs against Bangladesh in one day cricket when he's in the form of his life, but the thing about form is that it's a temporary state of improvement and intrinsically cyclical. His form will drop back down to normal standards and I don't think he'll last as an ODI batsman, personally. Tests are an entirely different matter though; he fully deserves his chance there.

Agree with this, if Broom can continue this form throughout his career then I'll be happy to see him in the ODI team but I'd definitely say he's more of a FC batsman than limited overs.

 

[Polo23]

Once again, that's a very odd way of looking at things.

Just two minor points

1. One innings in international cricket proves nothing, even if he played it against Hadlee/Marshall/Barnes/Lillee/Warne

2. Bangladesh are not an international quality side anyway

To me it proves he can hack it, regardless of how good Bangladesh is. I don't think it is a skill or technique thing, I think Broom has enough of both to succeed, it is the mental side of things which could hold him back. That score against Bangladesh is going to do a lot.

I wonder how many of this current NZ team had a decent average after 17 ODI's anyway? Franklin has played 70 odd ODI's and averages under 20 yet he is batting higher than Broom, I haven't seen too many people on here saying Franklin is rubbish and should be dropped.

 

[DingDong]

Once again, that's a very odd way of looking at things.

Just two minor points

1. One innings in international cricket proves nothing, even if he played it against Hadlee/Marshall/Barnes/Lillee/Warne

2. Bangladesh are not an international quality side anyway

just admit polo was right here thierry ok.

 

[DIRK-NANNES]

Elliott and Styris are strange cases though. Styris began his career as a bowler who batted down the order and his record is heavily effected by that. Elliott's record in South Africa was pretty poor but as I pointed when he was originally selected for New Zealand in ODIs, his record as a one day batsman since he made the move had been exceptional for three (or four?) seasons running.

Broom might score runs against Bangladesh in one day cricket when he's in the form of his life, but the thing about form is that it's a temporary state of improvement and intrinsically cyclical. His form will drop back down to normal standards and I don't think he'll last as an ODI batsman, personally. Tests are an entirely different matter though; he fully deserves his chance there.

I was only addressing the 'Broom is poor at List A' allegation.
Big Jess has a mammoth FC record, like Broom, and a modest List A record, on which Broom improves. He's a first choice pick and I don't think anyone feels he's poor at OD level.

It's a language thing really, I just feel poor is the wrong term to apply to him.

Jeez the Franklin haters surely seem to be ignoring his last two years of domestic cricket here and in England. He's probably been one of the most prolific domestic scorers since he returned from injury. Even the commentators barely even note his recent domestic form and simply judge him by his past international record. Of course he may be a Sinclair in terms of domestic runs turning into international failures but he deserves a little more leeway than a single bat.

I don't think anyone hates Franklin.
He does deserve another chance and he's got 3 here, but there are also other deserving players who haven't had a single game or only a handful on the international stage to show their goods (Stewart, Watling, etc). It can't be changed now, so I hope he goes well.
Personally, I wish Franklin focused his energies on returning to his bowling form of old.

 

[bryce]

Jeez the Franklin haters surely seem to be ignoring his last two years of domestic cricket here and in England..

I am pretty sure people on here know how good Franklin is, but it is more a case of them being unsatisfied that his role in the ODI side fits in with the teams best interests. Sure he is a quality allrounder, but he is like at best our eighth best bat and fifth best seamer - and he doesn't have a defined role in either department with regards to the ODI side.
Can you honestly say that you do not find it hard to see how he fits into the ODI side?

 

[Days of Grace]

Franklin has played 70 odd ODI's and averages under 20 yet he is batting higher than Broom, I haven't seen too many people on here saying Franklin is rubbish and should be dropped.

That is a fairly weak argument, since Franklin didn't bat above no.8 for at least his first 50 ODIs.

 

[thierry henry]

To me it proves he can hack it

I don't see how. Playing Bangladesh simply isn't an international quality fixture.

I don't think it is a skill or technique thing

Well, I do, based on what I've seen of him in his international career thus far.

Can certainly agree to disagree on what we see when we watch Broom bat, but to think that performing against Bangladesh is proof that he is international quality doesn't make any sense.