Is Harbhajan Singh one of the greatest fingerspinners ever ?

[0RI0N]

Just because you don't like what it shows doesn't mean it's of no relevance.

Calm down bro because
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[Richard]

Nah.

And BTW just a helping hand:

 

[honestbharani]

What the **** would you know Burgey? It's abundantly clear you don't need to actually do something to know everything you need to know about it.

lol.. that would perhaps apply to a few other posters here as well..

 

[honestbharani]

Dude what are you even going on about

Absolute incoherent dribbler

facts..

 

[Uppercut]

Well they might be facts. They're not written in coherent English so we have no way of telling.

 

[honestbharani]

I am sorry that English is not my first language..

 

[jeevan]

I am sorry that English is not my first language..

If you can spell the singular of "potatoes" and reasonably pronounce "nuclear", you'd be doing better than many for whom it is so. (English is, by now, an Indian language, and many Indians don't have to, or shouldn't have to, use that cop-out)

 

[GuyFromLancs]

Perhaps he is one of the greatest spinners in terms of raw ingrediants but he has still under-performed across his career as a whole.

 

[Shri]

If you can spell the singular of "potatoes" and reasonably pronounce "nuclear", you'd be doing better than many for whom it is so. (English is, by now, an Indian language, and many Indians don't have to, or shouldn't have to, use that cop-out)

Lays, Nuke.

If it isn't Lays, it isn't a potato.

 

[thierry henry]

I am sorry that English is not my first language..

Your English is not the problem.

 

[mohammad16]

I know Saqlain didnt have a prolonged career, I think id put Saqlain and Vetorri slightly ahead of him. Harbajhan has definitely had his moments though, but a couple of good games against australia are blown out of proportion. It was more finger spin the Aussies struggled with in general at that time and Harbajhan just exploited that in freindly conditions. I dont know, I like the bloke, but I have hardly watched a test series and certainly and ODI where Ive thought damn, Harbhajan is a major major threat. Far too many batsmen just arent at all intimidated by him for him to be considered a great spinner.

 

[daghetto]

Murali's stock-ball is a completely different delivery than Saqlain's stock-ball; likewise, Murali's Wrong-'Un is a completely different delivery than Saqlain's Doosra.

If Murali says he was "inspired" to bowl a Wrong-'Un by Saqlain it's clearly true, but it's no more bowling the same ball as the fact that Mark David Chapman was inspired to murder John Lennon by The Catcher In The Rye was Chapman doing the same as the author.

Murali's ball which turns the other way is a completely different ball to anything else that has ever been bowled, and being the phenomenal bowler he is I rather doubt that if he'd not had Saqlain to give him the idea of bowling a Wrong-'Un he'd not have found someone else to do so.

Will people stop talking about ODIs? This is CricketWeb.net - here, discussion centres around Test cricket unless otherwise stated. There is some amount of case for Saqlain being better in ODIs than Murali at some point, but in Tests there is no contest, was better (often miles better) than Saqlain all career, end of.

of course, i agree. but im just trying to clarify on when you said that murali was probably not even remotely influenced by saqlain.
Saqlain was also better at tests than murali was in his prime if you look at their economy rates and the amount of wickets tooken in amount of matches in the years of which saqlain was in his prime(1990-2001) and in the years murali was in his prime (2004-2006), so im not sure where your getting your stats from man.

 

[SJS]

Harbhajan is without doubt the greatest ever finger spinner to come from Punjab, and also play for Surrey and Lancashire

If one took away Murali (disqualified for using his wrist more than his fingers) the best finger spinners one has seen would rank something like this.

1. Prasanna
2. Bedi
3. Gibbs
4. Underwood
5. Saqlain

Its early morning where I am after a very late night so I may have missed someone but no one that would displace the top three anyway.

 

[aussie]

Harbhajan is without doubt the greatest ever finger spinner to come from Punjab, and also play for Surrey and Lancashire

If one took away Murali (disqualified for using his wrist more than his fingers) the best finger spinners one has seen would rank something like this.

1. Prasanna
2. Bedi
3. Gibbs
4. Underwood
5. Saqlain

Its early morning where I am after a very late night so I may have missed someone but no one that would displace the top three anyway.

Jim Laker & Hugh Trumble probably?

 

[bryce]

Well, for me, it's got to be Pat Symcox innit?

Oh yeah forgot him

 

[SJS]

Jim Laker & Hugh Trumble probably?

Come on Aussie, I just turned 60 not 160

 

[fredfertang]

The trouble with mentioning Jim Laker is that someone will then mention 19/90 and that will start Burgey off about deliberately underprepared Old Trafford wickets and before you can say "Jardine was a cheating pommie **** " we'll have another bloody thread about Murraymints

 

[honestbharani]

If you can spell the singular of "potatoes" and reasonably pronounce "nuclear", you'd be doing better than many for whom it is so. (English is, by now, an Indian language, and many Indians don't have to, or shouldn't have to, use that cop-out)

lol... since when is a fact a cop out...


And btw, I don't think my initial post was all that incoherent.

 

[honestbharani]

Your English is not the problem.

so, facts are?

 

[marc71178]

Saqlain was also better at tests than murali was in his prime if you look at their economy rates and the amount of wickets tooken in amount of matches in the years of which saqlain was in his prime(1990-2001) and in the years murali was in his prime (2004-2006), so im not sure where your getting your stats from man.

What complete and utter tripe.

Saqlain's had 2 good years (99: 42 @ 24.07 in 7 matches and 02: 51 @ 24.47 in 11 matches) - in no other year has he averaged under 28.

From 98 through to 2008, Murali only had 2 years where he averaged more than 24.07 and in 6 of the other 9 he averaged under 20!

At no point can you say Saqlain was better at tests then Murali.