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Craig

Craig

World Traveller
So what is the deal with John Wright? Is he geniunely not interested in coaching New Zealand, or is he involved in other coaching areas?
 
Craig

Craig

World Traveller
Steve Rixon is hardly a candiate for greatest ever wk/batsman of all time now is he? He did alright...
 
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SilentOne

U19 12th Man
Craig said:
So what is the deal with John Wright? Is he geniunely not interested in coaching New Zealand, or is he involved in other coaching areas?
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By all understanding he did want the job, but judging by what some of the players have said and what an article by Simon Doull said recently it seems to suggest they thought he was too laid back.

Not Wright for Black Caps job | Stuff.co.nz

I'm disappointed tbh, Greatbatch is a bad choice, in 12 months time we will still be talking about the lack of consistent results in ODI's and tests...
 
HeathDavisSpeed

HeathDavisSpeed

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Halfpast_Yellow said:
More on this? Haven't heard of it..
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HeathDavisSpeed said:
More anecdotal from a Warwicks fan on another forum. Don't really hear much of county cricket personally. I'll see what I can dig up.
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Taken from a Warks fan on another forum:

Kim said:
He was essentially over promoted. He'd been coaching at a school when the academy job became available at Warwickshire. He did that for 6 months, then got the Director of Cricket job in controversial circumstances - Warwickshire set up a commitee of 4 without working out that this meant there could be a tied vote. There was a tied vote, Tim Munton, as Chairman of the Cricket Commitee, used to his casting vote to appoint Andy Moles - only to be told he didn't have a casting vote as Chairman. The Club Chairman - an accountant not a cricket man - then came back from holiday and, presumably influenced by Amiss, gave Greatbatch the job. Moles would have been far more popular and had lined up Brett Lee and one other big name to join - so the fans were against Mark from day one.

Quite right for the wrong reasons, as it turned out.

He was pretty hopeless from the start. He should have gone at the end of his first season (2006) when Alex Loudon led a delegation of players who wanted to report him to the PCA for his bullying style of management. Instead the club kept him, sent him on a variety of management courses - but he didn't change. Indeed he got worse during his second season as the pressure of impending relegation made him crabbier and crabbier, particularly with the local press with whom he had virtually no relationship at the end. When he left we had suffered double relegation as well as the long term damage of losing good players like Mark Wagh, Moeen Ali and Alex Loudon - whose departures were all directly linked to the antics of this man.

Specific critisisms would be:

1. He couldn't judge a player. For example, he always thought Ian Westwood was better than Mark Wagh. He made no effort at all to keep Graham Wagg.

2. He was a bully. He's a big bloke, Mark Greatbatch, and an intimidating presence. I can remember in his first season a young player, since released, telling me how much he disliked playing in the first team under Batch because the environment was so stressed.

3. He bore grudges. There was an incident at Scarborough in 2006 when he got the team together to ask what was wrong. Nick Knight was meant to say something but leapt straight onto that fence he carries around with him to this day - so Dougie Brown stepped in and said "Batch, the big problem is you". Disgracefully, Brown only ever played two more games for Warwickshire and I dont think Batch talks to him even now - 4 years later - even though Dougie is married to his sister in law.

4. He had no man management skills. Moeen Ali, a real talent with the bat, made his debut as an emergency off spinner at Trent Bridge, scored a beautiful 50, but was immediately dropped because he hadn't taken any wickets (he's not a bowler anyway). Batch told him not to worry as he could see him as "a first team regular within 5 years". Possibly not what a young man already grumbling about not being in the first team wanted to hear? A month later he signed for Worcs.

5. He simply couldn't deal with pressure. The classic example was our last game of 2007 at Old Trafford where we had to win to stay up. Before play he gathered the team for a motivational speech.

And burst into tears.

Above all, he was simply a bad coach. I think it would be hard to argue that a single Warwickshire player improved in Batch's two years. Indeed many regressed.

I wish you luck with him. Hopefully what happened at Warwickshire was down to the stress of him being in a job he really wasn't qualified for at that stage.
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Sounds like Bracewell Mk II to me. Not what this team needs.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

123/5
Wow, the thing is, all those criticisms are the exact opposite of what the NZ side say he is. They like his man management and laid back-ness.

He's either changed drastically or Vettori is blind.:laugh:

That story is certainly contrasting to the one where he took Jesse Ryder into his own home to keep him out of trouble (didn't work, and the little bugger went to Wellington grrr :p)
 
Hurricane

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
HeathDavisSpeed said:
Taken from a Warks fan on another forum:



Sounds like Bracewell Mk II to me. Not what this team needs.
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Thanks for digging this up. Sounds like careers will be ended by him. He won't pick on Vettori though if he is smart. Just people like McCullum and other easy targets.
 
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DIRK-NANNES

U19 Vice-Captain
This whole coach debacle was a bit of an anti-climax, considering the number of decent candidates available. Seems like they picked the worst one :laugh:

Wasn't Greatbatch batting coach already? So I don't suppose we'll see much improvement in that department :dry:
 
bryce

bryce

International Regular
I like how they have Martin Crowe(along with John Wright) doing batting coaching with and around New Zealand. From listening to him on T.V for all these years he seems like a real nit-picker when it comes to breaking down every aspect of batting techniques and appears to have a very deep passion for helping players perfect the art of batting.
 
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