*Official* Pakistan in Australia

[aussie]

Schofield's Law again? Just because it didn't work for one player, does not mean it will go the same with with another, no matter how similar they might look. In some ways, they're actually very different anyway. And for Symonds, I raise you Blewett; a bloke picked on ODI form, not FC form, and who was an instant success (for a while) and ended up playing about 40 Tests.

History is a guide, not a determinant. Particularly when you're talking about different players.

I think their curent style of batting & transformations from an average ODI player into potential top-class (Symonds hunded vs PAK 03 & White hundred vs ENG 09) is like deja vu, i hardly see a difference in their style of batting.

Hisotry is indeed a guide & not determinant. But that a mistake AUS made in 03/04 (altough their was some logic behind it give nSymonds bowling form in the ODIs before the test) should not made again especially when you have better qualified options in FC cricket.

So yes the Schofield Law which in this case is the Symonds law lives on.

I dont know much about Blewett's rise to the test cricket, so i'll take your word on that one.

As it stands, reckon they'll go this way again anyway.

Yes. Although deep down personally i'll admit i would like North if he is retained for the NZ tour, to succeed & hold down a place.

 

[Craig]

His current form probably doesn't deserve a place yes. But if circumstances since the ODI series vs T20 WC hand played on differently i'd say Roy would be just fine ATM,. I reckon he he probably doesn't take cricket that seriously anymore since he is pretty much is a T20 freelancer these days - rather than him losing his wonderful ability in a matter of 6-8 months.

I have a passing interest in T20 at best, but even I noticed that Symond's recent form with the bat for Queensland in T20 has been poor.

 

[social]

I have a passing interest in T20 at best, but even I noticed that Symond's recent form with the bat for Queensland in T20 has been poor.

I'd be surprised if he gave a **** tbh

 

[Johnners]

I really enjoyed attending this yesterday - was a great game.

Cam White - you're a star.

Indeed it was, where were you sitting HJ? Was 3 rows back just opposite the members fence on the eastern side of the players exit.

 

[Craig]

I'd be surprised if he gave a **** tbh

It seems that way. He even told CA he would take less money to play T20 and not be involved with all the media stuff they have to do. CA said no.

 

[Prince EWS]

Plus he's not the most qualified candidate, something that seems to get a big tick from the Oz selectors

I dont think that he's technically sound enough to be above average but I've seen worse players have success at test level and he is an excellent slipper

Yeah I agree. He's certainly not a bad player and it wouldn't surprise me if he made a decent fist of being a Test bat at all but I don't think he's the best available - in fact I still think North is better than him. I mentioned it before, but his average for Victoria with the bat in First Class cricket is only about 36; his overall First Class average when compared to the other candidates is inflated a bit by County Cricket.

I'd much rather we picked someone who was scoring really heavily in the Shield over the last two or three seasons than just going for someone because they look good or score runs in ODIs. Given the problems in the team at the moment (players continually throwing away starts in tough situations after looking good initially and then filling their boots when times are easy), picking someone who hasn't scored big Shield runs will not only further that problem but fail to send the right message back to Shield cricket as to how one should look to improve to get into the team. If the pathway into the Test team is creating hype around yourself, scoring a few runs in ODIs and looking good at the crease then that's what the elite cricketers in the Shield will focus on - they aren't dumb.

 

[Prince EWS]

I just read aussie's last few posts in this thread and I agree with the principle of pretty much all of them. I feel so dirty.

 

[Johnners]

Not sure if this is the right place for it, but I was quite surprised to see Simon Pegg filming Hot Fuzz 2 at the ground yesterday. Guessing he was expecting a bit of action

Will post up a few other pics later

 

[Johnners]

Salman charging Haurtitz

Probs should've tried to stop that ball tbh....

Umar winding up

Watto!

Ouch

It's ok, I've got this

Indeed

The winning runs

 

[aussie]

I just read aussie's last few posts in this thread and I agree with the principle of pretty much all of them. I feel so dirty.

I'm glad you said that, since i feel even more dirty seeing that you agree with me..

 

[aussie]

I have a passing interest in T20 at best, but even I noticed that Symond's recent form with the bat for Queensland in T20 has been poor.

Yea thats what i said. His form is poor but equally since his last drinking issue he most likely doesn't care anymore, since he can/is one the premier T20 freelancers ATM he can make alot plus still drink.

What i'm saying if things had played out differently & he had the backing of CA & Ponting he most likely would still be in the AUS team & he would be playing well. Since i dont believe he has lost his ability just like that - just reckon mentally he has tuned off from focusing on cricket 100%

 

[marc71178]

If he's not performing, how long will he continue to make all this money as a so-called premier T20 player?

 

[aussie]

If he's not performing, how long will he continue to make all this money as a so-called premier T20 player?

He has to improve his form. But ATM i cant see Deecan Chargers in the IPL not wanting his services. Queensland & some English domestic team may not so definite ATM though..

 

[Julian87]

Even though it's at Sydney, Gul NEEDS to come in for Ajmal. Malik and Afridi can bowl 20 overs of decent spin if need be. In ODI's in Australia you need 40 overs of seam up if need be. That's why they lost on Friday.

 

[vic_orthdox]

What would White's record be over the past three to four seasons for Victoria though? He did start off very young as a spinner and undeveloped batsman.

 

[Uppercut]

Hmm White's improving and their techniques aren't dissimilar but he's still not rotating the strike as well as Symonds did. As excellent as his innings was a middle-order batsman scoring that many of his runs in boundaries isn't ideal. Needs to work on that IMO.

 

[NUFAN]

Hmm White's improving and their techniques aren't dissimilar but he's still not rotating the strike as well as Symonds did. As excellent as his innings was a middle-order batsman scoring that many of his runs in boundaries isn't ideal. Needs to work on that IMO.

Sorry what? He made a single off almost every second ball, that's an excellent rate, especially when you do factor in his ability to reach the boundary.

 

[Streetwise]

White had

30 dot balls
43 singles
3 two's
8 fours
4 six's

 

[NUFAN]

Yeah 43 singles from 88 balls. That wouldn't be great if he wasn't hitting 4s and 6s, but he obviously was. It was a brilliant innings, I couldn't find any fault in it.

 

[Top_Cat]

Hmm White's improving and their techniques aren't dissimilar but he's still not rotating the strike as well as Symonds did. As excellent as his innings was a middle-order batsman scoring that many of his runs in boundaries isn't ideal. Needs to work on that IMO.

He basically kicked off his FC career as a leggie/lower-order basher, as he'd done for U/19's. That he's rotating the strike at all shows he's on the improve. Give him another year and reckon he'll be one of OZ's best performed bats.