HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
When was the last time Louey played first class cricket? I don't think we should burden the guy with test cricket quite yet.
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***Official New Zealand Domestic Season Thread 2009/10
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Halfpast_Yellow
U19 Vice-Captain
Dunno. But Bangladesh is as good a 'warm-up' as any.
It depends on what his mental state is. He seems hungry though, I think he's relish the chance to bat 3 or 5 for NZ in tests, rather than it be a burden for him. Reports may be misleading, but arguably you'd have to think he's in a better space than Flynn, Fulton, Sinclair, perhaps Elliot atm.
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Look, we struggled against them in Bangladesh in recent times, and they're playing well against India. I don't think we can afford to take them lightly, and I don't think its fair to load pressure on Vincent when he's had publicised 'mental health' issues and he hasn't even played 4 day cricket in a couple of years. Give the lad a chance!
Halfpast_Yellow
U19 Vice-Captain
Oh not taking Bangladesh lightly, but obviously Bang in NZ is a different story to India or Aus at home, or Bang themselves at home.
Interesting article in NZ Herald back in Dec. Recent development that he has signed up for NZ first class cricket is a good sign.
Cricket: One more shot for Lou Vincent - Cricket - NZ Herald News
NZ could do worse than ask him
(the worse obviously being to keep playing Daniel Flynn)
Interesting article in NZ Herald back in Dec. Recent development that he has signed up for NZ first class cricket is a good sign.
Cricket: One more shot for Lou Vincent - Cricket - NZ Herald News
NZ could do worse than ask him
(the worse obviously being to keep playing Daniel Flynn)
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Broom deserves a spot in the test middle order more than Vincent tbh. Until he shows he can do more than whack the ball around on flat tracks with the field up I wouldn't want him near the side. Remember, Vincent hasn't really been involved in any FC cricket for a couple of years now.Oh not taking Bangladesh lightly, but obviously Bang in NZ is a different story to India or Aus at home, or Bang themselves at home.
Interesting article in NZ Herald back in Dec. Recent development that he has signed up for NZ first class cricket is a good sign.
Cricket: One more shot for Lou Vincent - Cricket - NZ Herald News
NZ could do worse than ask him
Howsie
International Captain
I think you seem to be forgetting the guy that's averaging 94 in FC cricket this summer
Lou Vincent hasn't played first class cricket in 18 months, and in the six games he played over in England during 2008 he averaged a mighty 24, the season before that in New Zealand he averaged 23. When was the last time Vincent actually scored some proper runs? 2006
Halfpast_Yellow
U19 Vice-Captain
Forgot about Broom, yes he is the next cab off the rank, so to speak, and deserves a chance, I guess. I think his failure in the ODI team has given the selectors a bit of pause when it comes to him and whether he can make the step up to tests.
I suppose my feeling is I'd rather take someone vs aus who has tasted some success at international cricket, and can fall back on that, rather than a debutant trying to find his feet.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Yeah even though I'm the biggest Vincent fan on the forum, realistically speaking he shouldn't be anywhere near the Test or ODI side until he's gotten a long run of form under his belt.
T20I could be another story, though...
T20I could be another story, though...
lockton2skipper
U19 Debutant
first post as a long time new zealand fan, saw the team play a one dayer at scarborough in 1978, the state of new zealand pace bowling worries me. apart from brent arnel are there any uncapped fast bowlers making the step up to test level in the near future. i have read this thread with interest especially about mitchell mcClenaghan, te ahu davis any relation to heath ? and logan van beek in the under 19s. i notice mitchell hasn't played this season. who else is knocking around at first class level with the pace to become an international player
Howsie
International Captain
Hamish Bennett and Neil Wagner are probably the only two bowlers we have at the moment with pace that might be successful at the international level. Logan Van Beek is more of an all-rounder I believe, although for a 19 year old he seems to have decent pace. The quickest bowler in the under 19 team is Bevan Small (140+ in the T.V game yesterday) although he's yet to play FC cricket. Doug Bracewell was bowling in the high 130's in that game also and he's already played a year of FC cricket.
Bowlers that have potential to become good test bowlers with pace that I've seen are:
Trent Boult, Ili Tugaga, Mitchell McClenaghan, Hamish Bennett and Neil Wagner. Boult and Tugaga would only be mid 130's at the moment but only being 19/20 you'd think they'd gain a yard of pace as the got older.
McCleanaghan's out with a pelvic injury I believe, I've heard he might be back before the end of the season though.
Flem274*
123/5
Bevan Small looks really good, hopefuly he can keep improving and get some FC caps shortly. There's not many people in U19s that can hit 140 and seam the ball all over the place (that I know of anyway, Southee, Sharma, Parnell and Aamer are ones that spring to mind that have similar speed). Where is he from? I'm off to cricinfo kthnx bai 
He's not out and out fast but I'm a Michael Bates fan. He looks pretty good and has lead the Auckland attack well, not sure on his pace though. Doesnt look as slow as some have said but cant really say anything until we see a speedgun. As long as it aint 125ks (where he'd have to be Tuffeh to be any good) then he's one to keep in mind for A tours.
He's not out and out fast but I'm a Michael Bates fan. He looks pretty good and has lead the Auckland attack well, not sure on his pace though. Doesnt look as slow as some have said but cant really say anything until we see a speedgun. As long as it aint 125ks (where he'd have to be Tuffeh to be any good) then he's one to keep in mind for A tours.
Howsie
International Captain
Your be happy to know he's from Central Districts, so it's pretty surprising he hasn't played any form of domestic cricket yet. But only being 17 theres probably good reason not to rush him into domestic cricket.Bevan Small looks really good, hopefuly he can keep improving and get some FC caps shortly. There's not many people in U19s that can hit 140 and seam the ball all over the place (that I know of anyway, Southee, Sharma, Parnell and Aamer are ones that spring to mind that have similar speed). Where is he from? I'm off to cricinfo kthnx bai
He's not out and out fast but I'm a Michael Bates fan. He looks pretty good and has lead the Auckland attack well, not sure on his pace though. Doesnt look as slow as some have said but cant really say anything until we see a speedgun. As long as it aint 125ks (where he'd have to be Tuffeh to be any good) then he's one to keep in mind for A tours.
Agree on Bates btw, he looks like a pretty decent left-armer. I'd guess he'd be around 130-135K from what I've seen of him in the past.
Howsie
International Captain
Well according to cricinfo Doug Bracewell is right-arm medium, but in that last game he was hitting high 130's, maybe they just screwed up?
Yea I was really surprised with is pace because from everything I had read I thought he was 125k medium pacer.
bryce
International Regular
What intrigued me most about Bracewell was something the commentators touched on(Wasim iirc) his old man is in charge of a fast bowling academy and yet upon delivery he goes from really wide of the crease. I do think he has a very good action but feel he would be alot more effective going stump to stump
Athlai
Not Terrible
Lets not forget Southee, Mills, Tuffey, Martin and to a lesser extent Mason (and Gillespie after injury) are still in the fold. Though if Bennett can continue his good work he may actually add a lot to the team, Arnel as well.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Given that he's already 19 and 1/2, its unlikely that he'll gain too much more pace without doing some serious work first. With that in mind, his classification as a fast medium is probably fair. Although by U19 standards he probably is towards the quicker end of the spectrum. I agree the classification of Bracewell as medium and van Beek as fast is rather odd.
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Athlai
Not Terrible
Think he meant that he is a RM on cricinfo as opposed to RFM that he should be (or at least RMF)
Howsie
International Captain
Nah, cricinfo actually have him down as Right-arm medium, the same pace status Nathan Astle, Grant Elliott and Jesse Ryder have. From what I've seen so far in this world cup he's probably in the top three in terms of pace with only Small being quicker and Bracewell and England's Buck being the same speed. Although I've yet to see South Africa's or Australia's bowlers so I can't really rank him accurately.