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***Official New Zealand Domestic Season Thread 2009/10

NZ Guy

U19 Captain
We need some more Otago fans on here, can't believe the lack of support for a Broom call-up. Was he really that bad in his 16 ODI's?

And I don't mean in term of results.
Yes, tbh he was terrible, being someone who has never seen him in domestic cricket I find it amazing he has scored the runs he has domestically although Im open to him playing test cricket looking at his FC record, averaging 42 with 8 tons is quite impressive compared to others in the domestic circuit
 

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
We need some more Otago fans on here, can't believe the lack of support for a Broom call-up. Was he really that bad in his 16 ODI's?

And I don't mean in term of results.
Been saying he should play Tests for NZ for a while now (just not frequently in cricket chat :ph34r:)
 

NZ Guy

U19 Captain
Yea agreed, however seeing him when he had the opportunity to do well he did look terribly out of place (referencing the glovegate game)
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
We need some more Otago fans on here, can't believe the lack of support for a Broom call-up. Was he really that bad in his 16 ODI's?

And I don't mean in term of results.
Yeah he was bad.

He looked poor against the world's best spinners. I don't think you face too many of those playing for Otago so it must be tough to make the adjustment.

Seemed to have poor shot selection at times. But that could be because he isn't a one day player at heart.

Don't mind if they give him a run though in the test team. But I think they should try someone else in the ODI team.
 

Howsie

International Captain
I thought he looked pretty good against Australia in the CT final (Except for when he was almost bowled by a 150K in-swinger from Brett Lee. He made 30 odd and I thought he was going to get us to a decent total, and then he ran himself out :dry:
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
I thought he looked pretty good against Australia in the CT final (Except for when he was almost bowled by a 150K in-swinger from Brett Lee. He made 30 odd and I thought he was going to get us to a decent total, and then he ran himself out :dry:
I thought that run out was a lack of composure. It is almost like he is inexperienced at limited over stuff. Maybe he would come good given enough chances.
I think his big moment was that 80 against India in a warm up.
 

Howsie

International Captain
I thought that run out was a lack of composure. It is almost like he is inexperienced at limited over stuff. Maybe he would come good given enough chances.
I think his big moment was that 80 against India in a warm up.
Well you'd hope Broom would do a lot better in the one day game if he was given a few more chances, that would most likely only happen if he was to get moved up the order however.

Would much rather the selectors forget about picking him as our "finisher" and allow him to play some limited overs stuff this season for Otago and improve his one day game and hopefully come back as a better player.
 

straw man

Hall of Fame Member
A team of

Watling
XXX
XXX
Taylor
Ryder
Vettori
McCullum
XXX
Southee/Tuffey
Bond
Martin

looks good, as long as we pick a long term in form option for the openers and three spot. Number eight is up for grabs because I'm toying with putting a guy who can bat a bit there as long as they're a good bowler. Failing that Tuffey can continue with his sublime form there. :p
But Flem really, who is this guy who is good enough to bowl at test match level AND score runs at number 8?? I don't know if he exists at present. Franklin might have been a chance but who knows what's happening there now. Mills is a better batsman than Tuffey but still not great, plus his test bowling isn't very good (Thierry Henry to disagree). And of course he has injury issues at the moment too.

Vettori has certainly shown he's good enough to bat 6, but until that question of who can bat 8 is answered we are taking a massive risk playing that many bowlers. Especially considering Ryder is a decent bowler (not to mention Guptill :ph34r:), so IMO the risk is not justified.
 
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Flem274*

123/5
But Flem really, who is this guy who is good enough to bowl at test match level AND score runs at number 8?? I don't know if he exists at present. Franklin might have been a chance but who knows what's happening there now. Mills is a better batsman than Tuffey but still not great, plus his test bowling isn't very good (Thierry Henry to disagree). And of course he has injury issues at the moment too.

Vettori has certainly shown he's good enough to bat 6, but until that question of who can bat 8 is answered we are taking a massive risk playing that many bowlers. Especially considering Ryder is a decent bowler (not to mention Guptill :ph34r:), so IMO the risk is not justified.
Worked in this game, sort of.

Theoretically we shouldn't need our tail to score runs. Though this obviously isn't the case. With Taylor, Ryder and Vettori at the top there's less risk. Vettori with proper batsmen>Vettori with the tail. Get him in earlier and he'll be more effective.

At this point an attack of Bond, Martin, Tuffey/Southee, Vettori doesn't look likely to take 20 wickets cheaply unless Bond goes boom every game. Martin hasn't been a a strike bowler in how long, Vettori isn't a wicket taker, Bond is so injury prone we risk being down to three bowlers, Tuffey has just returned to the side and seems to bowl first change, which decreases his effectiveness and Southee needs swing or he's rank awful.

If Bond went down and we went in with an attack of Martin, Southee, Tuffey, Vettori how easily do you think they'll take 20 wickets?

Unless at least one of Tuffey or Southee came good I wouldn't be confident (Tuffey back to 2003 form, Southee to just get better). They'd get there eventually, but not very quickly to justify the extra batsman that in all likelihood will get out for ten extra runs anyway. :p

Five man attack has its risks, but imo it gives us a better overall chance of winning. The extra batsman plus four man attack without Bond is more likely to get a draw.

James Franklin please start taking wickets. :p
 

Somerset

Cricketer Of The Year
I saw him bat on Saturday and he certainly didn't score a double ton.
Article - Auckland Cricket

Against some old FC players.
Cheers Howsie, probably a slight error on my part in that it wasn't a true "Under 19s" match. Impressive innings given some of the players in the "Cavaliers" team - Brooke Walker for instance was bowling for and captaining the Auckland side in first class cricket a few seasons ago.
 

Smudge

Hall of Fame Member
We need some more Otago fans on here, can't believe the lack of support for a Broom call-up. Was he really that bad in his 16 ODI's?

And I don't mean in term of results.
Too busy at work. And besides, I find discussing domestic cricket on here incredibly frustrating. Many people consider themselves experts, and with more of a clue than the domestic coaches, after simply reading a scorecard on the internet.
 

bryce

International Regular
And besides, I find discussing domestic cricket on here incredibly frustrating. Many people consider themselves experts, and with more of a clue than the domestic coaches, after simply reading a scorecard on the internet.
Haha, so true. I get a headache reading all these conclusions people start drawing to.
Btw - James McMillan, I remember you saying a couple of seasons ago he had gone way downhill - how did he make his way back into the team?
 
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Smudge

Hall of Fame Member
Btw - James McMillan, I remember you saying a couple of seasons ago he had gone way downhill - how did he make his way back into the team?
Think I'd heard that he'd got himself fitter than ever over the last 12 months - he's just been riddled with injuries throughout his career, so it's been hard for him to get consistent cricket.
 

Howsie

International Captain
Cheers Howsie, probably a slight error on my part in that it wasn't a true "Under 19s" match. Impressive innings given some of the players in the "Cavaliers" team - Brooke Walker for instance was bowling for and captaining the Auckland side in first class cricket a few seasons ago.
The under 19 tournament started yesterday and Neesham smacked 172 against CD, pretty impressive last few days..
 

Kippax

Cricketer Of The Year
Harris, Sinclair, Papps, Fulton, Bell, Sinclair, now Broom, Ingram....I feel like Bart with the electrified cupcake in The Simpsons. Time for me to learn my lesson and stop even talking about what I see in the tea leaves that are domestic cricket!

It's a very hoary old chestnut that I'm loath to even mention, but when Sir Ron Brierley cashes up his company in the next couple of years perhaps it'll reingnite the idea of putting a bit of it towards getting us in the Aussie comps for a consistent diet of second-tier cricket (at the Basin) that actually means a damn thing.
 

DIRK-NANNES

U19 Vice-Captain
Lou Vincent is back playing club cricket in Auckland. He's also made himself available for domestic (limited overs) cricket selection.
 

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