***Official New Zealand Domestic Season Thread 2009/10

[Howsie]

We may actually see Vettori move back down to 8.

Openers
Number 3
Taylor
Ryder
Broom/Franklin
McCullum
Vettori

Who's going to bat at three? Really sick of picking players that just aren't good enough tbh.

 

[Prince EWS]

Agree. But Broom deserves his chance to play test cricket, he's averaging 42 with eight first-class 100's in 50 games. Not too many batsmen in New Zealand have those types of numbers that haven't played test cricket before. Why pick someone that isn't as well qualified as Broom is, that just doesn't make sense to me.

Well it's all about comparative advantage. I don't see the point in risking one of the best two batsmen in the team in a position they aren't completely comfortable with just to get Neil Broom into the team. Do you think Broom would offer more at three than Guptill? If so, get him in the team at three. If he fails there it takes a lot less away from the team than if Taylor or Ryder got up to three and fail.

I agree that he's stiff to have not been given a Test yet, but his position's covered so it's a case of adapt or perish. Ryder and Taylor don't have to adapt; they've got their roles sorted and it's a needless risk to change them.

 

[Howsie]

Tbh if Bond and O'Brien aren't available, a four man attack is a bit risky.

Agreed. Is an attack of Southee, Tuffey, Martin and Vettori going to take 20 wickets? Probably not very often.

 

[straw man]

Agreed. Is an attack of Southee, Tuffey, Martin and Vettori going to take 20 wickets? Probably not very often.

On the other hand, if Vettori stays at 6 we are going to continue with a huge tail and it's going to hurt. Despite his 80* Tuffeh is not a number 8.

I'd be expecting/ hoping for a bowling attack of Bond, Martin, Tuffey/ Southee, Vettori, Ryder for Australia.

 

[Prince EWS]

In an ideal world, Franklin would rediscover his pre-injury bowling form and bat eight with Vettori at six. That'd be perfect on so many levels.

 

[Howsie]

Well it's all about comparative advantage. I don't see the point in risking one of the best two batsmen in the team in a position they aren't completely comfortable with just to get Neil Broom into the team. Do you think Broom would offer more at three than Guptill? If so, get him in the team at three. If he fails there it takes a lot less away from the team than if Taylor or Ryder got up to three and fail.

I agree that he's stiff to have not been given a Test yet, but his position's covered so it's a case of adapt or perish. Ryder and Taylor don't have to adapt; they've got their roles sorted and it's a needless risk to change them.

Would Neil Broom offer more then Guptill at three, IMO yes, alot more tbh. What your've said is all very true and hard to argue against but I'm just sick of playing batsmen (Flynn for the last year) in a position like three where most people agree your best batsmen should bat. Instead of throwing younger players under a bus I think we should stop babying (Probably harsh but I can't think of anything else ) our better batsmen and put them in the most important part of the line-up. Heck, having Ryder or Taylor come in at three might help lift our openers to a higher level if they're batting with an attacking batsmen.

 

[Howsie]

On the other hand, if Vettori stays at 6 we are going to continue with a huge tail and it's going to hurt. Despite his 80* Tuffeh is not a number 8.

I'd be expecting/ hoping for a bowling attack of Bond, Martin, Tuffey/ Southee, Vettori, Ryder for Australia.

If Bond plays I have no problem with Ryder being the 5th bowler, and against the Aussie's that would probably be the best thing for this current batting line-up.

 

[Athlai]

Auckland:
McIntosh
Guptill
Tuffey

ND:
Watling
Flynn
Vettori
Southee

CD:
Taylor

Otago:
McCullum

Wellington:
O'Brien

Canterbury:
Martin
Fulton

 

[Athlai]

So we could see some full strength sides of:
Auckland:
McIntosh, Guptill(or at 3?)/Raval, Bopara/Jones/Guptill, Bopara/Jones, Kitchen, Hopkins (+), de Boorder, Nethula, Bates/Erasmus, Bhupinder Singh
Northern: Wilson, Watling, Williamson/Flynn, Parlane, Marshall/Williamson/Flynn, Vettori, McGlashan, Aldridge, Southee, Scott/B Martin, Arnell
Ew they actually look strong.
CD:
Pinga, How, Patton, Taylor, Sinclair, Weston/Worker, Griggs (+), Thompson, Noema-Barnett, Rance, Mason
Honestly guys you have great batting just get some ****ing bowlers.
Otago:
Cumming, Redmond/Morgan, Haig, Broom, Todd, McCullum, McCullum, McSkimming, Wagner, McMillan, Harvie
Bit of a fan of this lineup, good bowling.
Wellington:
Bell, Brodie, Merchant/Parlane, Parlane/Merchant, Ryder, Woodcock, Rhodes, Austin-Smellie, Patel, Tugaga/Bowden, O'Brien, McKay
Canterbury:
Papps, Nicol, Fulton, Myburgh, Stewart, Harris, van Wyk (+), Anderson, Hiini, Bennett/Bond, Martin

 

[Howsie]

Surely Harris or Hiini would be dropped when Martin and Bond come back. I don't see the point of batting Anderson at eight and Hiini at nine tbh.

 

[Flem274*]

So we could see some full strength sides of:
Auckland:
McIntosh, Guptill(or at 3?)/Raval, Bopara/Jones/Guptill, Bopara/Jones, Kitchen, Hopkins (+), de Boorder, Nethula, Bates/Erasmus, Bhupinder Singh
Northern: Wilson, Watling, Williamson/Flynn, Parlane, Marshall/Williamson/Flynn, Vettori, McGlashan, Aldridge, Southee, Scott/B Martin, Arnell
Ew they actually look strong.
CD:
Pinga, How, Patton, Taylor, Sinclair, Weston/Worker, Griggs (+), Thompson, Noema-Barnett, Rance, Mason
Honestly guys you have great batting just get some ****ing bowlers.
Otago:
Cumming, Redmond/Morgan, Haig, Broom, Todd, McCullum, McCullum, McSkimming, Wagner, McMillan, Harvie
Bit of a fan of this lineup, good bowling.
Wellington:
Bell, Brodie, Merchant/Parlane, Parlane/Merchant, Ryder, Woodcock, Rhodes, Austin-Smellie, Patel, Tugaga/Bowden, O'Brien, McKay
Canterbury:
Papps, Nicol, Fulton, Myburgh, Stewart, Harris, van Wyk (+), Anderson, Hiini, Bennett/Bond, Martin

I'd like to see (but doubt I'll get my way)

Auckland

Raval
McIntosh
Guptill
Bopara
Kitchen
de Boorder
Hopkins/Young
Tuffeh
Nethula
Bates
Singh

Styris rested because he isn't in test contention.

Northern Districts

Watling
Wilson
Wlliamson
Marshall
Flynn
McGlashan
Yovich
Martin
Southee
Arnel
Boult

Central Districts

Ingram
How
Patton
Taylor
Sinclair
Weston
Bracewell
Griggs
Thompson
Diamanti
Mason

Wellington

Bell
Brodie
Merchant
Parlane
Ryder
Rhodes/Woodcock
Smelly
Bowden
Patel
Tugaga
McKay

O'Briens retired obviously

Canterbury

Papps
Nicol
Myburgh
Fulton
Stewart/Harris
Anderson
van Wyk
Hiini
Bond
Bennett
Martin

Otago

Cumming
Redmond
Todd
Broom
Morgan/Haig
McCullum
McCullum
McSkimming
Wagner
McMillan
Harvie

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Mental!

 

[Athlai]

O'Brien could still play for Wellington this season I reckon.

 

[Bahnz]

O'Brien could still play for Wellington this season I reckon.

One would hope that he will. He's stuck here until Christmas by all accounts, so there's no reason for him to just sit around doing nothing.

 

[Meridio]

Would Neil Broom offer more then Guptill at three, IMO yes, alot more tbh. What your've said is all very true and hard to argue against but I'm just sick of playing batsmen (Flynn for the last year) in a position like three where most people agree your best batsmen should bat. Instead of throwing younger players under a bus I think we should stop babying (Probably harsh but I can't think of anything else ) our better batsmen and put them in the most important part of the line-up. Heck, having Ryder or Taylor come in at three might help lift our openers to a higher level if they're batting with an attacking batsmen.

Most people say that you play your best batsman at 4 tbh.

Have to say I'm against moving Taylor or Ryder up to 3, basically for the same reasons PEWS mentioned. If Broom comes into the team he either bats at 3 with Guptill opening, or he bats at 6 with Vettori going back to 8. I'm more in favour of the second option, with Franklin injured I don't really think we can play a specialist bowler (i.e. Tuffey) at 8 - it leaves us with too a long tail (this test was an exception, seeing as Napier's a road). Something like:

Watling
Guptill/xyz
xyz/Guptill
Taylor
Ryder
Broom
McCullum
Vettori
Tuffey
Southee
Martin

And before anyone says so, I know that they won't be dropping McIntosh now, but meh.

 

[Flem274*]

Still against the four bowlers if Bond or O'Brien isn't playing. The more I think about five bowlers, the more I like it. Vettori doesn't have to bat with the tail and can score more runs instead of 40*s with the tail. With Ryder back we have a good 4-7. Watling and McIntosh will remain and we have until March to decide on who should open and bat three for Australia, which is pretty much the rest of the season (no disrespect to Bangladesh but I would be disappointed if at least one of McIntosh and Guptill didn't score against them and even if they don't, I will be very shocked face if we lose the test).

A team of

Watling
XXX
XXX
Taylor
Ryder
Vettori
McCullum
XXX
Southee/Tuffey
Bond
Martin

looks good, as long as we pick a long term in form option for the openers and three spot. Number eight is up for grabs because I'm toying with putting a guy who can bat a bit there as long as they're a good bowler. Failing that Tuffey can continue with his sublime form there.

The good thing is we have the rest of the season to see who shines. If the associations were ordered to put the likes of Merchant, Broom, Patton, Williamson (for future reference), maybe Kitchen at three then I would be even happier.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Rumour in Wellington is that former Cantab all-rounder Sonny Chan was about to get a call up for Wellington's one-day team, but then the training preceding the game, they changed the gameplan and went for a spinner instead.

Chan through a wobbler and a cricket ball in the [vague] direction of Wellington coach Anthony Stuart and could well have jeopardised his chances to play for Wellington. Could explain the weakness of the current Wellington bowling line up. Chan has had a couple of good seasons for Karori over the last two years and should really have had his opportunity for Wellington before now. Seems like hot-headedness is holding him back.

 

[Howsie]

We need some more Otago fans on here, can't believe the lack of support for a Broom call-up. Was he really that bad in his 16 ODI's?

And I don't mean in term of results.

 

[Flem274*]

Rumour in Wellington is that former Cantab all-rounder Sonny Chan was about to get a call up for Wellington's one-day team, but then the training preceding the game, they changed the gameplan and went for a spinner instead.

Chan through a wobbler and a cricket ball in the [vague] direction of Wellington coach Anthony Stuart and could well have jeopardised his chances to play for Wellington. Could explain the weakness of the current Wellington bowling line up. Chan has had a couple of good seasons for Karori over the last two years and should really have had his opportunity for Wellington before now. Seems like hot-headedness is holding him back.

What an idiot.

Just popping in to provide some caution on Neil Broom's form. From what I gather, some are suggesting he should bat five with Taylor and Ryder bumped up one.

But who has he scored against? Auckland, Wellington and CD.

Auckland has Ravi Bopara opening the bowling and Tuffey, Mills, and Shaw are out.

Wellington has McKay, Patel and thats about it in terms of proven bowlers. I don't really rate Bowden. Gillespie is injured, O'Brien is/was a test player and Tugaga is a newbie.

CD are the same as Wellington. Thompson and Mason are worthy opponents but then...Seth Rance, Noema-Barnett and Doug Bracewell. Mitchell McClenaghan, Jeremy Kuru are injured and Diamanti seems to be behind the other medium pacers, which is odd.

He's scored against some pretty meh bowling. Have Otago played ND yet?

 

[Howsie]

Yea, but Broom wasn't playing. Harsh trying to discount his runs however, he's really only failed once this entire season and that was against Canterbruy (Bond + Martin). Three 100's in three games is good going, and two of them have been big 100's.