Flem274*
123/5
Yeah shouldn't have used List A games to debate his selection, though it was on technique.
Fulton probably won't get another run tbh. Have a gut feeling they've consigned him to the Sinclair, Papps and Bell boat.
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***Official New Zealand Domestic Season Thread 2009/10
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Fulton probably won't get another run tbh. Have a gut feeling they've consigned him to the Sinclair, Papps and Bell boat.
Howsie
International Captain
How you can even think he's close to selection because of one good season I would never know. He's a 30 year old batsmen who's currently batting at 5-6, we don't need another one of them. For Patton to play for New Zealand he's going to have to back up last season's form this year. He'll then have to play for NZ A at some point and do well, and then just maybe he might play for New Zealand. The only problem is by this time he'll probably already be 31 which really doesn't give him much of a future.Beg to differ.
If James Marshall is allowed to have his Black Cap handed to him (probably in a Pakn Save bag) then Patton deserves a call up
Btw how often have you actually seen him play?
Howsie
International Captain
I'm more surprised CD are playing both of them in the same team, pickings must be slim this season huh?
Flem274*
123/5
Unsure if I've said he's close to selection, and he does need more time I agree. Thing is whoever the next man picked is will probably be picked fairly shortly if Flynn doesn't kick on in test cricket. The other number three candidates are all fairly shaky. Todd and Fulton being the other two I'd consider at this stage if we want a specialist there, though we could put an opener like Watling or How there.
I really don't care about age, Michael Hussey made his debut fairly late too and 4-5 years is long enough for a decent career, especially since when it comes to NZs top three we don't exactly have Australia-esque options to choose from. Whoever scores the most runs generally gets the gig unless ironically, they're James Marshall or Daniel Flynn.
If the selectors can pick Flynn off one good season then I wouldn't be surprised if Patton (if they want him) was picked off one good season either.
Also, without wanting to open a can of worms, your "he's had one good season" calls look hypocritical when he's played the same number of FC games as Mitchell McClenaghan and done more for the team cause too I might add.
Unless you believe bowlers need less time than batsmen it looks a bit of a double standard there mate.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
I really hope Vettori doesn't want to bat 6 in tests - just have a feeling he'll be less effective there. Plus I'm worried that'll lead them to playing a bowler who can hold a bat but is not up to batting at 8 - Mills for example.
Would like Franklin to claim the number 6 spot as much as Athlai. But there will always be doubts until he actually scores some runs there at international level.
Flem274*
123/5
I'd say so. We seem to have dropped Jeremy Kuru, McClenaghan is injured, Sherlock moved, I think Diamanti's injured, no idea where Hefford is..
The others I know of are in the same mould like Marc Calkin and Seth Rance.
I know Napier joins us for the 20/20s, would have been good to nab him for the entire season. Another bowling allrounder, but a pretty good bowler nonetheless.
Need Mason to make a 20 or something here, a total of 300 would give us something to bowl at.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Was Jono Boult with the last wicket though...BoultExpecting Bracewell to go after the bowling now, might be able to show some of his power now.
Bats number 8 and has only bowled three overs so far - what does he bowl? How good is it?
Howsie
International Captain
I don't think it's fair to compare Patton to Hussey at all tbh. At least Hussey had performed for years in FC cricket, Patton's a 30 year old batsmen who's played one season of domestic cricket, he's yet to prove anything really.Unsure if I've said he's close to selection, and he does need more time I agree. Thing is whoever the next man picked is will probably be picked fairly shortly if Flynn doesn't kick on in test cricket. The other number three candidates are all fairly shaky. Todd and Fulton being the other two I'd consider at this stage if we want a specialist there, though we could put an opener like Watling or How there.
I really don't care about age, Michael Hussey made his debut fairly late too and 4-5 years is long enough for a decent career, especially since when it comes to NZs top three we don't exactly have Australia-esque options to choose from. Whoever scores the most runs generally gets the gig unless ironically, they're James Marshall or Daniel Flynn.
If the selectors can pick Flynn off one good season then I wouldn't be surprised if Patton (if they want him) was picked off one good season either.
Also, without wanting to open a can of worms, your "he's had one good season" calls look hypocritical when he's played the same number of FC games as Mitchell McClenaghan and done more for the team cause too I might add.
Btw the difference between me calling for McClenaghan's inclusion after the same amount of games is that he's actually performed for NZ A.
Flem274*
123/5
Off memory, off break. JimmyGS I think it was knows a bit about him. If he turns up you'd be able to ask him.
Would also be interested in any info on this young keeper of Aucklands.
Howsie
International Captain
He bowls fairly decent off-spin, he's more of a batsmen though as he opens for BOP and ND A. He did pick up four wickets in his first-class debut though so it must be decent.
Flem274*
123/5
Before that you still wanted him, be honest.
I'm pretty sure you called for his inclusion before that A game.And it was one (excellent) outing.
Personally I'd have both in there (and its probably likely to happen).
Howsie
International Captain
Haha Bracewell going insane, already on 49 
In a under 19 tournament a couple of years back my team was playing on the field across from Hawkes Bay (the team he was playing for) and he hit some dude for 34 of one over, it was insane hitting. I think he made 80 odd of like 30 balls.
In a under 19 tournament a couple of years back my team was playing on the field across from Hawkes Bay (the team he was playing for) and he hit some dude for 34 of one over, it was insane hitting. I think he made 80 odd of like 30 balls.
Howsie
International Captain
Yeah I probably didBefore that you still wanted him, be honest.
And it was one (excellent) outing.
Personally I'd have both in there (and its probably likely to happen).
No it's not...you're dreaming. Patton will never play a test match.
The guys ahead of him in the pecking order:
Watling
Fulton
Sinclair
Cumming
Elliott
Williamson
Flynn
That's a few batsmen he'd have to get past..i'd say it would take at least 2 years before all of those guys were tried and failed also.
Flem274*
123/5
Consider our three post Fleming number threes: James Marshall, Jesse Ryder and Daniel Flynn.
James Marshall is roughly the same age as Patton and barely averages 30 in FC cricket
Ryder deserved his run there.
Flynn had one good season and was in the right place at the right time.
In an ideal world Patton would be left to play for NZ A for a bit, but considering previous selectorial history and the fact that its highly unlikely Fulton or especially Sinclair will be chosen (someone to dig this post when one of them is) then its between Todd, who is solid, Parlane, who is in the same boat but older and possibly lesser, or a converted opener. Patton probably has a chance and if picked the reasons why would be perfectly understandable. Showed great promise in the few games he's played and the other options need slightly better records.
I'd be a lot happier with the number three process if Flynn kicked on, Patton had played 20-30 games, Todd had a slightly better record and Fulton went back to his 2007 self.
Actualy, I'd be even happier if Sinclair had transferred all these domestic scores to test cricket.
James Marshall is roughly the same age as Patton and barely averages 30 in FC cricket
Ryder deserved his run there.
Flynn had one good season and was in the right place at the right time.
In an ideal world Patton would be left to play for NZ A for a bit, but considering previous selectorial history and the fact that its highly unlikely Fulton or especially Sinclair will be chosen (someone to dig this post when one of them is) then its between Todd, who is solid, Parlane, who is in the same boat but older and possibly lesser, or a converted opener. Patton probably has a chance and if picked the reasons why would be perfectly understandable. Showed great promise in the few games he's played and the other options need slightly better records.
I'd be a lot happier with the number three process if Flynn kicked on, Patton had played 20-30 games, Todd had a slightly better record and Fulton went back to his 2007 self.
Actualy, I'd be even happier if Sinclair had transferred all these domestic scores to test cricket.
Howsie
International Captain
Where's Sherlock these day's? And Marc Calkin isn't much of a bowler tbh, he looked very tame to say the least in the 20/20's.
Flem274*
123/5
I'd have both in NZ A. Way to misread me.
Watling might bat three but he'll probably open if McIntosh fails
Fulton and Sinclair...dunno whether the selectors would go back there
Cumming would be another candidate for McIntoshs spot
Elliott won't bat number three
Williamson might have to as Taylor and Ryder occupy his current ND spots.
Flynn is the incumbent.