Atul Sharma

[Manee]

He's doing 120% of all trainings required to be a good bowler except for that small part called bowling.

Yeah, I get your point.
He can do everything except bowl.

Of course he is bowling, but I was answering a query noting that the exercise regime was 'useless when it comes to bowling'.

 

[rivera213]

Do you think javelin throwers simply throw javelins all day? Or do you think they do some strength, power and speed work first? Certain muscles and muscle groups are used in bowling, would it not be beneficial if those groups were strengthened?

If we look at the work he is doing, it seems to be quite helpful to bowling, indeed.
- Leg strength and flexibility, crticial in the run up, jump and follow through.
- Explosive shoulder strength - pretty self explanatory.
- Sprint training - run up, maybe?
- Core stability - something crucial in the bowling action and that is of importance to current international players.
- Core strength - ditto.

None of the bowlers of the 70's, 80's and even into the 90's did any of that type of training.

Gym work is fine, but the best way to develop the muscles you need for bowling is to actually bowl.

And the difference between javelin throwers and bowlers is that strength is essential to throwing a javelin, it isn't necessarily important to bowling (past being fit).

Shaun Tait is very much the exception to the rule. Guys like Brett Lee, Shane Bond, Dale Steyn aren't huge men but have bowled 150kph+.

Atul Sharma is doing everyhing APART from bowling and that's really the only thing he needs to do.

 

[silentstriker]

Of course he is bowling, but I was answering a query noting that the exercise regime was 'useless when it comes to bowling'.

By his own admission, he has played no cricket - at all - for seven years. That's not bowling.

 

[Ponty]

Not only that, but he isn't sure he knows what a cricket ball is...that video is hilarious. I'm hoping it's a piss-take, 99% of the stuff he is doing in training is useless when it comes to bowling.

The best way to develop is to actually bowl. It's a novel idea, but I think it'll catch on pretty soon.

Do yourself a favour. Read his uplifting, personal story in SPIN magazine and educate yourself. Also, I know what a cricket ball is and as Atul's coach I can assure you that he does, too.

He explains in the article why he needed to spend so long on the technical part of bowling (change of action from front on to sideways) and why we plugged him into javelin and strength CROSS training.

Atul bowled to Shane Watson in Brisbane and was assessed by Greg Chappell. Both recommended him. Whatever your personal agenda for ripping into Atul, a few international players and coaches with possibly more knowledge than you, are backing Atul.

Yes he has to bowl, and his damaged shoulder is fast healing. He would have been 3 weeks into the IPL by now rather than sidelined - not his fault. But even if he never takes a wicket, to go from nowhere to an IPL contract (that I'm sure anyone here wished they had) is quite remarkable.

 

[rivera213]

Do yourself a favour. Read his uplifting, personal story in SPIN magazine and educate yourself. Also, I know what a cricket ball is and as Atul's coach I can assure you that he does, too.

He explains in the article why he needed to spend so long on the technical part of bowling (change of action from front on to sideways) and why we plugged him into javelin and strength CROSS training.

Ok, buy me the magazine and I will read it.

But whether he has an uplifting story or not is irrelevent to whether he can actually bowl in a match situation against world class players.

You should show videos of him bowling on your site instead of really pointless stuff in as far as your being a "Cricket coach". The only thing I really want to see in a video of a bowler is them bowling.

Atul bowled to Shane Watson in Brisbane and was assessed by Greg Chappell. Both recommended him. Whatever your personal agenda for ripping into Atul, a few international players and coaches with possibly more knowledge than you, are backing Atul.

I don't have a personal agenda at all. I didn't even know who the hell he was until I joined here.

But the guy (by his own admission) hasn't bowled a ball in a competitive match since he was 16, and you expect people to take him seriously.

Come on.

At the moment, he is 1 notch above me. I can bowl at 105mph, no proof but I can do it (do you take me seriously?).

Yes he has to bowl, and his damaged shoulder is fast healing. He would have been 3 weeks into the IPL by now rather than sidelined - not his fault. But even if he never takes a wicket, to go from nowhere to an IPL contract (that I'm sure you'd wish you had) is quire remarkable.

Well if he wasn't Indian, I doubt he'd have gotten an IPL contract, but anyway, I hope he comes back form his injury and plays in next year's IPL or something. His PR men have done a great job buffing him up, hopefully he doesn't flop on the big stage cos it'll be detrimental to him and his bowling coach.

 

[Ponty]

Ok, buy me the magazine and I will read it.

But whether he has an uplifting story or not is irrelevent to whether he can actually bowl in a match situation against world class players.

You should show videos of him bowlingon your site instead of really pointless stuff in as far as your being a "Cricket coach".


I don't have a personal agenda at all. I didn't even know who the hell he was until I joined here.

But the guy (by his own admission) hasn't bowled a ball in a competitive match since he was 16, and you expect people to take him seriously.

Come on.

At the moment, he is 1 notch above me. I can bowl at 105mph, no proof but I can do it (do you take me seriously?).

Well if he wasn't Indian, I doubt he'd have gotten an IPL contract, but anyway, I hope he comes back form his injury and plays in next year's IPL or something. His PR men have done a great job buffing him up, hopefully he doesn't flop on the big stage cos it'll be detremental to him and his bowling coach.

It's just I read all your posts about Atul and you appear to know more than anyone about what's right, which is interesting. But you are entitled to your views.

The reason for Atul's clip was to show what he does is totally different and that's the whole point, which you clearly miss as you compare it with what others do or don't do.

Listen, people will always find reasons to be critical of something different or new. It comes either from a lack of knowledge or lack of open-mindedness and that's fine. But I re-iterate, the story ISN'T how well he does in the IPL, it's the story of how he made it there, which is why the story is out NOW.

As an aside, Atul can do everything that's been said about him. Whether he does it or not in matches only time will tell. He has no PR men (nothing from his own team about him, the IPL or the media) just smart journalists who have bothered to find out the truth about him.

 

[ret]

Hi Pont .... I am so eager to see Atul bowl. I hope he gets a chance to play in this IPL and show what he is capable of. Wishing Atul all the success!!

 

[Ponty]

Hi Pont .... I am so eager to see Atul bowl. I hope he gets a chance to play in this IPL and show what he is capable of. Wishing Atul all the success!!

Me too! It's been a long and difficult journey to get this far.

 

[rivera213]

The reason for Atul's clip was to show what he does is totally different and that's the whole point, which you clearly miss as you compare it with what others do or don't do.

It's not that I "missed" anything.

Having that vid of Atul on your site is as helpful as having a video of someone playing piano on a guitar-based site.

You can fix it by having just 1 or 2 overs of Atul bowling all-out (once he's fully recovered from injury) on your site along with an accurate speed gun. That's proof and would shut everyone up.

Then the debate will be how good he is, not "Is this guy a con?".

Listen, people will always find reasons to be critical of something different or new. It comes either from a lack of knowledge or lack of open-mindedness and that's fine. But I re-iterate, the story ISN'T how well he does in the IPL, it's the story of how he made it there, which is why the story is out NOW.

It's easier to find the Golden Fleece than useful information on Atul. It's not "ignorance".

And the story of HOW he got to the IPL while I'm sure a good one, doesn't really mean anything if he turns out to be a mediocre level bowler.

You don't hear of ALL young Brazilian kids who kicked a ball around in the street, you hear of Ronaldo, Pele, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Robinho etc. The ones who've had an impact on football.

As an aside, Atul can do everything that's been said about him. Whether he does it or not in matches only time will tell. He has no PR men (nothing from his own team about him, the IPL or the media) just smart journalists who have bothered to find out the truth about him.

You make it sound like there is loads of information about Atul Sharma on the web. I'm not a journalist so how the **** am I supposed to form any other opinion than a skeptical one based on the info available, or lack of?!

 

[Pheobe]

It's not that I "missed" anything.

Having that vid of Atul on your site is as helpful as having a video of someone playing piano on a guitar-based site.

You can fix it by having just 1 or 2 overs of Atul bowling all-out (once he's fully recovered from injury) on your site along with an accurate speed gun. That's proof and would shut everyone up.

Then the debate will be how good he is, not "Is this guy a con?".




It's easier to find the Golden Fleece than useful information on Atul. It's not "ignorance".

And the story of HOW he got to the IPL while I'm sure a good one, doesn't really mean anything if he turns out to be a mediocre level bowler.

You don't hear of ALL young Brazilian kids who kicked a ball around in the street, you hear of Ronaldo, Pele, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Robinho etc. The ones who've had an impact on football.




You make it sound like there is loads of information about Atul Sharma on the web. I'm not a journalist so how the **** am I supposed to form any other opinion than a skeptical one based on the info available, or lack of?!

I understand where you are coming from, but it takes something more than just clips of throwing javelin to get into an IPL team. These teams are not jokes.

 

[Ponty]

It's not that I "missed" anything.

Having that vid of Atul on your site is as helpful as having a video of someone playing piano on a guitar-based site.

You can fix it by having just 1 or 2 overs of Atul bowling all-out (once he's fully recovered from injury) on your site along with an accurate speed gun. That's proof and would shut everyone up.

Then the debate will be how good he is, not "Is this guy a con?".

It's easier to find the Golden Fleece than useful information on Atul. It's not "ignorance".

And the story of HOW he got to the IPL while I'm sure a good one, doesn't really mean anything if he turns out to be a mediocre level bowler.

You don't hear of ALL young Brazilian kids who kicked a ball around in the street, you hear of Ronaldo, Pele, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Robinho etc. The ones who've had an impact on football.

You make it sound like there is loads of information about Atul Sharma on the web. I'm not a journalist so how the **** am I supposed to form any other opinion than a skeptical one based on the info available, or lack of?!

I will just repeat he has been assessed by Shane Watson and Greg Chappell, seen by IPL commissioner Lalit Modi and Rajasthan Royals owner Manoj Bedale - among others. Use your head for a second and work out if that means he's the real thing or not. Ask yourself if he was crap how he did this? You dont need to be a journalist to work that out.

To be in the IPL Champions squad is an honour in itself - a bit like being on the Manchester United bench - but the next stage is whether he can perform at that level. That isn't the story right now.

I don't think you are quite getting this are you?

SPIN magazine said, ''Sharma's life story is surely one of the most remarkable in cricket - or any other sport''. The bottom line is that Atul isn't doing this for what people think about him. So I am not bothered what people think either. He doesn't have to prove anything to anyone - only himself.

 

[NUFAN]

I've read for the first time most of the posts about Sharma in this thread.

I really do look forward to seeing him bowl. I am slightly worried how he's going to handle fielding and batting though, Is he anywhere close to competitive standard or is he going to be a bit of a liability?

 

[Athlai]

I've read for the first time most of the posts about Sharma in this thread.

I really do look forward to seeing him bowl. I am slightly worried how he's going to handle fielding and batting though, Is he anywhere close to competitive standard or is he going to be a bit of a liability?

If he can throw overarm then already he'd be better than Munaf Patel.

 

[Uppercut]

But the guy (by his own admission) hasn't bowled a ball in a competitive match since he was 16, and you expect people to take him seriously.

Come on.

The whole point is that he's doing things differently and seeing how it comes off. Not bowling competitively is a part of that. Saying "useless! he hasn't bowled competitively when conventional cricketing knowledge states that you have to do so a lot to be any good!" is totally missing the point.

 

[rivera213]

The whole point is that he's doing things differently and seeing how it comes off. Not bowling competitively is a part of that. Saying "useless! he hasn't bowled competitively when conventional cricketing knowledge states that you have to do so a lot to be any good!" is totally missing the point.

That doesn't make any sense.

You can ask any single ex-international bowler and they'll say bowling is the best form of training. You can do gym work and other things if you want (as well as bowling), but you need time in the middle with the pressures of a game situation to tell if you're really good or not.

At the moment, all this Atul Sharma is good for is a net bowler. The words of the great Ian Pont don't equate to proof.

As I said, I can bowl at 105mph- will anyone believe me until I provide proof?

(It's not true, but you know exactly what I'm saying).

I will just repeat he has been assessed by Shane Watson and Greg Chappell, seen by IPL commissioner Lalit Modi and Rajasthan Royals owner Manoj Bedale - among others. Use your head for a second and work out if that means he's the real thing or not. Ask yourself if he was crap how he did this? You dont need to be a journalist to work that out.

Oh ok, so I'll take the word of people as gospel then.

I want some proof before

To be in the IPL Champions squad is an honour in itself - a bit like being on the Manchester United bench - but the next stage is whether he can perform at that level. That isn't the story right now.

It's nowhere near the same level, what a crap analogy.

I don't think you are quite getting this are you?

SPIN magazine said, ''Sharma's life story is surely one of the most remarkable in cricket - or any other sport''. The bottom line is that Atul isn't doing this for what people think about him. So I am not bothered what people think either. He doesn't have to prove anything to anyone - only himself.

Don't patronise me you fat little prick.

You are the one who isn't "getting it", people will coontinue disregarding Atul as hype until he bowls in a competitve game.

No-one in this thread really cares about his sob story. We care if he can bowl or not.

The whole reason you commented in this thread was to stick up for him, well fine, but until you provide some proof of him as a BOWLER, your words are meaningless.

 

[Ponty]

That doesn't make any sense.

You can ask any single ex-international bowler and they'll say bowling is the best form of training. You can do gym work and other things if you want, but you need time in the middle with the pressures of a game situation to tell if you're really good or not.

At the moment, all this Atul Sharma is good for is a net bowler.




Oh ok, so I'll take the word of people as gospel then.

I want some proof before




It's nowhere near the same level, what a crap analogy.




Don't patronise me you fat little prick.

You are the one who isn't "getting it", people will coontinue disregarding Atul as hype until he bowls in a competitve game.

No-one in this thread really cares about his sob story. We care if he can bowl or not.

The whole reason you commented in this thread was to stick up for him, well fine, but until you provide some proof of him as a BOWLER, your words are meaningless.

 

[Uppercut]

That doesn't make any sense.

You can ask any single ex-international bowler and they'll say bowling is the best form of training. You can do gym work and other things if you want, but you need time in the middle with the pressures of a game situation to tell if you're really good or not.

Sounds exactly like conventional cricketing knowledge to me. And Ian Pont's throwing it out the window and seeing whether you do actually need time in the middle to be good or you can benefit more from being kept out of the limelight.

Just because "any single ex-international bowler" says something doesn't mean it's right. They could be, of course, and if Atul Sharma goes to pieces when he first plays a match we'll be able to confirm that. But they're doing things differently, coming at bowling from a new angle, and seeing how it works out. If it fails, they'll look a bit foolish but can shrug and incorporate what they've learnt into future training. If it comes off, they'll revolutionise fast bowling.

When i see him bowl in a match, I'll judge his methods on his results.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Don't patronise me you fat little prick.

Absolutely no need for that. Cut it out.

 

[rivera213]

That's the best thing you've said in this thread.

Sounds exactly like conventional cricketing knowledge to me. And Ian Pont's throwing it out the window and seeing whether you do actually need time in the middle to be good or you can benefit more from being kept out of the limelight.

Just because "any single ex-international bowler" says something doesn't mean it's right. They could be, of course, and if Atul Sharma goes to pieces when he first plays a match we'll be able to confirm that. But they're doing things differently, coming at bowling from a new angle, and seeing how it works out. If it fails, they'll look a bit foolish but can shrug and incorporate what they've learnt into future training. If it comes off, they'll revolutionise fast bowling.

When i see him bowl in a match, I'll judge his methods on his results.

Well it's not anything "new". He's just using athletics training methods. Sharma also happens to have an action which Jeff Thomson had 35 years ago WITHOUT the help of Ian Pont.

ANYONE between 21 and 30 has the potential to regularly bowl 90mph with that action (provided they have rhythm when approaching the crease). That isn't any new theory, but that action doesn't guarantee you can get wickets which is the only important thing.

And, yes if a method has worked for every single known test bowler then it is right.

 

[rivera213]

Absolutely no need for that. Cut it out.

Er, why are you getting involved, kid?

And there WAS a need for that, I wouldn't let him talk to me like that in the street so why should I let him do it behind the comfort of a keyboard?

Disrespect in turn deserves disrespect.