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CW Ranks the Batsmen

weldone

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
bagapath said:
can someone tell me why hutton is not figuring in the list yet? he didnt just have an awesome record - all great players did, so that is a given - he was also one of the most influential batsmen of all time. he was "the" man opponents had to get to beat england. on either side of war he demonstrated different styles of batsmanship and succeeded in both eras. dont really want to see him slip out of the top 10.
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same feelings here...Not only that, he demonstrated equal domination against pace and spin, against all the countries he played and in different playing conditions...Not many great batsmen are there whose records are stainless like Hutton's one...Anyways, my votes:

1. Leonard Hutton
2. George Headley
 
bagapath

bagapath

International Captain
sammy2 said:
Don't, but in my view if there should be a batsman playing today who may make a claim it would be chanderpaul. Not even ponting has a stronger case than him.
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how? why?


RT Ponting (Aus/ICC) 1995-2009 461 541 63 22859 257 47.82 63 115 29
S Chanderpaul (WI) 1994-2009 374 442 70 16717 203* 44.93 31 105 17
 
bagapath

bagapath

International Captain
Evermind said:
What's happening here? These aren't ODI stats either.
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since this poll is about the overall careers of players i've presented the combined ODI, test and twenty20 stats for discussion. according to the thread starter we should take into consideration all forms of cricket while voting in these polls. i want to show sammy2 ponting is way ahead of chanders in all forms of cricket either collectively or separately.
 
silentstriker

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
bagapath said:
since this poll is about the overall careers of players i've presented the combined ODI, test and twenty20 stats for discussion. according to the thread starter we should take into consideration all forms of cricket while voting in these polls. i want to show sammy2 ponting is way ahead of chanders in all forms of cricket either collectively or separately.
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I'm only taking into account Tests, TBH. According to the rules, you can use whatever criteria you like to rank the players.
 
bagapath

bagapath

International Captain
silentstriker said:
I'm only taking into account Tests, TBH. According to the rules, you can use whatever criteria you like to rank the players.
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ok. but someone please tell me how chanders is better than ponting and deserves to be among the top 10 batsmen of all time. i am not even sure he should be in top 20/25
 
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sammy2

Banned
bagapath said:
ok. but someone please tell me how chanders is better than ponting and deserves to be among the top 10 batsmen of all time. i am not even sure he should be in top 20/25
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The avg time it takes to get chanderpaul out is 6 plus hours. Not even bradman was able to avg 100 plus in two consecutive years. Chanderpaul record doesn't tell the true story of how good he is, and his avg is above 50. Before his surgery on his foot he wasn't playing at full potential, but after he corrected his problem there have been no batsman more reliable than chanderpaul. Most of you only watch players when they are opponents to your team. So you can't tell that the best of ponting is nowhere close to the best of chanderpaul. Shane warne said ponting would break all batting records before he retires and look at how he is ending his career.
Im sure if you ask ex players who watch chanders and ponting they will all choose chanders, because he is so far ahead of batsmen today its not even funny. But ofcourse fans have their idols who they worship, and no one can be better than them, even if the record says otherwise. Unless this is about who has the highest avg wins.
 
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Burgey

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sammy2 said:
The avg time it takes to get chanderpaul out is 6 plus hours. Not even bradman was able to avg 100 plus in two consecutive years. Chanderpaul record doesn't tell the true story of how good he is, and his avg is above 50. Before his surgery on his foot he wasn't playing at full potential, but after he corrected his problem there have been no batsman more reliable than chanderpaul. Most of you only watch players when they are opponents to your team. So you can't tell that the best of ponting is nowhere close to the best of chanderpaul. Shane warne said ponting would break all batting records before he retires and look at how he is ending his career.
Im sure if you ask ex players who watch chanders and ponting they will all choose chanders, because he is so far ahead of batsmen today its not even funny. But ofcourse fans have their idols who they worship, and no one can be better than them, even if the record says otherwise. Unless this is about who has the highest avg wins.
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Rarely has someone posted in so erudite a fashion about themselves.

But anyways, if you want to vote for Chanders, you're entitled to. So go for it. He's certainly a fine player. Personally he wouldn't be in my top 10, but hey, whatever floats your boat. :)
 
Johnners

Johnners

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sammy2 said:
the avg time it takes to get chanderpaul out is 6 plus hours. Not even bradman was able to avg 100 plus in two consecutive years. Chanderpaul record doesn't tell the true story of how good he is, and his avg is above 50. Before his surgery on his foot he wasn't playing at full potential, but after he corrected his problem there have been no batsman more reliable than chanderpaul. Most of you only watch players when they are opponents to your team. So you can't tell that the best of ponting is nowhere close to the best of chanderpaul. Shane warne said ponting would break all batting records before he retires and look at how he is ending his career.
Im sure if you ask ex players who watch chanders and ponting they will all choose chanders, because he is so far ahead of batsmen today its not even funny. but ofcourse fans have their idols who they worship, and no one can be better than them, even if the record says otherwise. Unless this is about who has the highest avg wins.
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itstl
 
NUFAN

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
sammy2 said:
Wow an australian picking another aussie, surprise. If you listen the commentators talk about both players you can't help but notice they are lost for words when its time to talk about chanderpaul. It suks for other nationals because WI always have the top ranked batsman. Before chanders there was lara who was the leading batsman.
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I posted that because of this "Im sure if you ask ex players who watch chanders and ponting they will all choose chanders".

So mate Shiv is classy, but he'd struggle to make West Indies all time top 10 batsman, let alone World top 10. But no worries, vote for who you think.
 
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sammy2

Banned
I don't have idols, but I can say for sure chanders is better than ponting, he has done what ponting will never do, he is just not on chanderpaul level. I have never seen a bowler gotten on top of chanders the way sharma owned ponting. Ponting was confident and mentally stronger than most bowlers in 2000 upwards, he was playing in a good team for all his life. But during the 90s he was never ever ever considered on lara's and sachin's level. He is a player who showed no sign of greatness until recently when bowlers around the world got weak. Chanders played great when he had no excuse to do so, ponting had aaaaaaallllll the support in the world plus the status of the aussie team supporting him. Mentally most teams just didn't believe in themselves to beat Aus.
 
Burgey

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But Chanders has been great in the same era as Ponting.....

Anyway, it's an historical accident as to when players reach their peak. True it is that Ponting's time really came about in the 2000s and he wasn't as good in the 90s when the bowlers were better than they were later on. But nor was he as good a player then as he was post-2000. Just as, say, Border in the 90s wasn't as good as Border in the 80s. Doesn't mean Border at his best couldn't have done very well in the 90s, it's just that by then he wasn't as good as he had been. Just like Chanders wasn't as good in the 90s as he has been in the 2000s, nor was Ponting.

If you could morf them at their best back to the 90s, who knows how they'd go? The easy thing to say is they'd be no good, but that's almost as much a guess as it is saying they'd have dominated. We simply cannot and will never know, because they weren't as good then.

And further more, as someone who's watched cricket since the 70s, the 90s love-in is way OTT on these boards. You'd think no one who picked up a bat or ball in any other decade was worth a pinch of **** as a player, and it's simply not so. Every era has its strengths and its weaknesses. I'll grant you the 90s was a fine era, but so were many others.
 
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