*Official* England in West Indies

[Neil Pickup]

England are so unbelievably dire against dobber bowling.

Anyway I do agree that 135 off 20 is easier than 240 off 50. I think about 145-155 would have been about right.

I'd say 250-300 is par for 50 overs on a standard limited overs track and 160-180 for 20 overs.

That implies a readjustment from 240 off 50 to:

229 off 45
218 off 40
204 off 35
188 off 30
170 off 25

Incidentally, who's nicked the real Straussy?

 

[steds]

Prior will finish this off...

Doubt it. Hopefully he'll finish himself off instead.

 

[GIMH]

I love the way we don't see Pickup in the tour threads that much these days but as soon as there's a DL match he's here to tell everyone to STFU, WAG

 

[steds]

Oh dear god.

 

[superkingdave]

Doubt it. Hopefully he'll finish himself off instead.

*insert tasteless joke involving Allan Stanford*

 

[Magrat Garlick]

That implies a readjustment from 240 off 50 to:

229 off 45
218 off 40
204 off 35
188 off 30
170 off 25

More stats:

average score in ODIs in the past four years: 256.
average score in 20-over internationals in those years: 158.

Now, 240 is 94 % of the 50-over average, so judging by that, you'd expect to chase 149, really.

 

[gvenkat]

*insert tasteless joke involving Allan Stanford*

Bring on Bravo... The man with the golden arm...

 

[Neil Pickup]

More stats:

average score in ODIs in the past four years: 256.
average score in 20-over internationals in those years: 158.

Now, 240 is 94 % of the 50-over average, so judging by that, you'd expect to chase 149, really.

Statsguru'd? Link please!

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Statsguru'd? Link please!

Only involving top-eight sides as the poorer quality pitches & batting of Associate matches skew things somewhat:

Cricinfo Statsguru - One-Day Internationals - Team records - average score 260 (note that this includes rain-shortened matches, so in actual fact is a bit lower)
Cricinfo Statsguru - Twenty20 Internationals - Team records - average score 159

For some reason they give different figures now, possibly I gave a wrong input somewhere. It doesn't change much, the adjusted target by the method described above is still 146.

 

[four_or_six]

Doesn't matter anyway. We'd have made 149 easily too.

 

[GIMH]

We'd have made 400. Best ODI side in the world? Easily IMO

 

[Scaly piscine]

Of course ODIs reduced to 20 overs have an extra 2 overs of fielding restrictions, so the average score under those circumstances would be a little higher anyway.

Shame there aren't more T20 games to look at, then you could have a look at first score bands and compare win percentage. Not enough international T20s to get a reasonably accurate figure yet. I was looking at 160-180 scores batting first the other day in T20Is, think it was won 5 lost 8 or something which surprised me a little bit.

 

[sammy2]

Baker gave the match away.

 

[GIMH]

Well played Strauss

In the form of his life in both formats it seems

 

[Uppercut]

It's nice to see England insert the knee-jerk reactions firmly up the anuses of their critics.

But it'll also be nice to see them implode and do the same to the OTT "we're awesome" reactions.

England are AVERAGE.

 

[sammy2]

Well played Strauss

In the form of his life in both formats it seems

He was caught and given not out.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah thanks for that, I saw it. What ya gonna do hey, clear conspiracy

 

[Magrat Garlick]

He was caught and given not out.

Even a 39 off 28 would be the form of his life for Strauss in ODIs, though.

 

[Neil Pickup]

He was caught and given not out.

That's like the way you made a bet and didn't keep your part of the bargain, isn't it?

 

[TT Boy]

England win the series if Windies strike, yeah?

Pollard is useless. Not sure why the Windies play him. He can't bat and only England make his bowling look decent.