*Official* England in West Indies

[Richard]

Doesn't look out on the replay.

Clipping off. That's enough to give a tailender out IMO.

 

[wpdavid]

The other thing it calls into major question, if Broad is so good at picking up "cheap tail-end wickets", is why he wasn't given a single over during the last session in Antigua.

Especially when you recall how well he had bowled before tea on that day. tbh I hadn't realised that he'd been given not a single over after tea. Unbelievable. On a par with Vaughan not giving Jones a single over on the final morning at Edgbaston, fwiw.

 

[four_or_six]

Clipping off. That's enough to give a tailender out IMO.

True, full hawkeye shows it just clipping off. Seemed much more reason to overturn than some of the others that have been overturned this season.

 

[four_or_six]

Crazy stuff, mostly Amjad Khan's doing.

Definitely may as well have played Harmy.

 

[Uppercut]

Clipping off. That's enough to give a tailender out IMO.

Don't think batting position should ever come into it. But it's reason enough to give someone padding up outside off out IMO.

 

[four_or_six]

Especially when you recall how well he had bowled before tea on that day. tbh I hadn't realised that he'd been given not a single over after tea. Unbelievable. On a par with Vaughan not giving Jones a single over on the final morning at Edgbaston, fwiw.

But not quite up there with Cameron White instead of Shane Watson in Nagpur.

 

[Uppercut]

But not quite up there with Cameron White replacing Shane Watson in Nagpur.

It wasn't Watto he replaced, was it?

 

[wpdavid]

Definitely may as well have played Harmy.

Harmy's probably going to be one of the guys who's standing will improve as a result of this tour.

 

[Uppercut]

I clearly see Cook and Strauss bob along at 3 an over tonight and let the game drift. And i already feel a bit sick about it.

 

[wpdavid]

So when was the last time WI won a series that wasn't against Bang or Zim?

 

[roseboy64]

Not sure that was out but meh.

 

[four_or_six]

It wasn't Watto he replaced, was it?

Sorry, meant instead of not replaced.

 

[wpdavid]

I clearly see Cook and Strauss bob along at 3 an over tonight and let the game drift. And i already feel a bit sick about it.

That & the bowlers aiming 2 feet wide of the stumps if we get any sort of start.

That being said, Edwards will probably reduce us to 40 for 3 by the close.

 

[shivfan]

So when was the last time WI won a series that wasn't against Bang or Zim?

It was a home series against Sri Lanka, I think it was when Edwards and Taylor made their debuts....

2003/4, was it?

 

[sammy2]

Not sure that was out but meh.

It wasn't out.

 

[wpdavid]

It was a home series against Sri Lanka, I think it was when Edwards and Taylor made their debuts....

2003/4, was it?

That'll be the 2004 series that cricinfo mentioned. Thanks, I'd quite forgotten about that one.

 

[roseboy64]

Poor extras. Stranded on 74*.

 

[Scaly piscine]

As I said at the time and before it England should have kept going longer while they were scoring 6+ an over.

 

[Richard]

Especially when you recall how well he had bowled before tea on that day. tbh I hadn't realised that he'd been given not a single over after tea. Unbelievable. On a par with Vaughan not giving Jones a single over on the final morning at Edgbaston, fwiw.

With Flintoff, Giles and Hoggard (all of whom had bowled better than Jones that match - he'd been ever-threatening but unspeakably expensive) in reserve?

No way.

Can't say I think not bowling Jones that fourth morn was a massive error at all.

 

[Richard]

Don't think batting position should ever come into it. But it's reason enough to give someone padding up outside off out IMO.

It's no reason to give an obvious out n\o or vice-versa. But IMO, batsmen should get the benefit of the doubt; bowlers when bowling at tailenders should get it. Simple as. I don't watch cricket to see tailenders hanging-around or slogging runs; I watch it to watch batsmen batting. Always happy to see tailenders disposed of quickly.