Australia's ODI squad

[luffy]

If Clarke, Jaques, Katich and Haddin all came back for NSW. There a good chance Hughes would be dropped for NSW. If he can't make a full strength NSW, why is he even been considered for the Australian team.

Can't wait to have Katich back.

You'd think he'd either open the batting and have Katich at 3, or just have him in the middle order somewhere.

 

[Prince EWS]

If Clarke, Jaques, Katich and Haddin all came back for NSW. There a good chance Hughes would be dropped for NSW.

I doubt it. He most certainly wouldn't be dropped from the Shield team but even assuming you're referring only to one dayers, I think he'd be in there. He'd probably have to bat down at 5 or 6 in one day cricket but I can't see him getting left out for Smith or Henriques, particularly given the ability for Thornely and Clarke to bowl some pretty useful stuff in one day cricket.

 

[Simon]

If Clarke, Jaques, Katich and Haddin all came back for NSW. There a good chance Hughes would be dropped for NSW. If he can't make a full strength NSW, why is he even been considered for the Australian team.

Can't wait to have Katich back.

Find that pretty hard to believe. Who out of the current batting line up in the top 6 would be picked before him? Except for maybe Thornley and thats only on experience and stature in the team and not form or ability, I cant see anyone else.

 

[Prince EWS]

You'd think he'd either open the batting and have Katich at 3, or just have him in the middle order somewhere.

I reckon Warner and Jaques would open, assuming he's specifically talking about the one day team. Hughes would be given a run in the middle order somewhere though, IMO.

 

[Prince EWS]

Find that pretty hard to believe. Who out of the current batting line up in the top 6 would be picked before him? Except for maybe Thornley and thats only on experience and stature in the team and not form or ability, I cant see anyone else.

Warner and Thornley would both be ahead of him in the NSW OD pecking order. He'd effectively be the seventh batsman but I think he'd still make the team.

 

[Simon]

Warner and Thornley would both be ahead of him in the NSW OD pecking order. He'd effectively be the seventh batsman but I think he'd still make the team.

I think for the good of NSW and Australian cricket Hughes would not be left out of any NSW side right now while hes available.

 

[chaminda_00]

Yeah it a toss up between him and Thornely at six or play Thornley as an all rounder and drop the underperforming all rounders.

Jaques, Warner, Katich, Clarke, Haddin, Thornley, Hughes/S Smith, Lee, Hauritz, Bracken, Clark

Could see them play Smith or even Bird ahead of him.

 

[oldmancraigy]

You were using what Hughes has done in his career (300 odd runs) compared to what Marsh has done this season, hardly a fair comparison (note, I'm specifically talking about ODs, NOT T20). What Hughes has done this season, 240 runs @ 30, in 9 matches, is most certainly not mind blowing, and is most certainly not a solid case for International selection. As I said, Marsh isn't in the best touch either, but he is the incumbent opener, and there is no other opening options slamming on the ODI selection door so it makes perfect sense to pick him. Especially when he hasn't done anything wrong in his international career to date.

Fail.

Hughes has scored over 500 runs in his career of ODIs... I wasn't referring to that AT ALL.

As I clearly pointed out in the post you quoted with "blah blah blah" I was talking about his stats this season.

3 times past fifty - only 3 batsmen in Australia have done better. Marsh only once past 50 in 6 innings.
That, combined with the fact Hughes is making runs in EVERY format of the game would surely suggest that the 20yr old wunderkid should be selected ahead of the 25 year old, out of form, "I had one good season". Sean Marsh.

Simply put, they are 2 different forms of the game and form in one, does NOT mean form in the other, and neither should it be used when trying to build a case for selection.

Well done - however the fact that only 3 players in Australia have gone past 50 more times than Hughes in ODIs, the fact his strike rate is better than Marsh's, the fact that he's averaging more per dig than Marsh (those 2 things THIS SEASON) and the fact that Marsh is way out of touch in all forms where Hughes is "way in touch" probably DOES build a body of evidence.

Answer this:
If Slats was scoring heaps of runs in the 4 day games, AND ALSO one of the leading run scorers in the limited overs form, then would it make it worthwhile picking him?

Yes, it's true that Slats didn't do as well as he could (should?) have in the limited overs format. But that's irrelevant to Hughes case since he has already notched 3 half centuries this season (more than anyone else in the country bar 3).

Also, don't put words in my mouth, at no stage did I say it was "such a joke" to suggest Hughes ahead of Marsh.

Yes you did.

Sean Marsh has had an absolute saloon passage into the Australian team. He's hardly fit to shine Hughes's shoes

LOL, you're a joke

Just so you understand how this works: he said Marsh wasn't fit to shine Hughes' shoes - then you called him a 'joke'. So that means you're saying that it's such a joke to suggest Hughes' is better than Marsh.

Why do you think that? It's ridiculous.

 

[oldmancraigy]

If he can't make a full strength NSW

huh?







Since when has he not made the full strength NSW side?

1. Jacques
2. Hughes
3. Katich
4. Clarke
5. Haddin
6. Thornley
7. Lambert
8. Casson/ Smith?
9. Clark
10. Bollinger
11. Bracken

(don't tell me Hauritz is in the full strength NSW side - he wasn't before he got picked against NZ!)

Just quietly, that'd be a helluva test team - if you replaced the Aussie team with that one they'd probably make it to 3rd in the test rankings!

If you're talking about ODI teams - then they'd drop Thornley and Bollinger and bring in Warner and Henriques.

 

[Simon]

Brett Lee not even good enough to make NSW anymore?

 

[pup11]

Official Twenty 20 squad
R. Ponting (c): TAS, 34
M. Hussey (vc): WA, 33
D. Hussey: VIC, 31
B. Hilfenhaus: TAS, 25
J. Hopes: QLD, 30
N. Bracken: NSW, 31
B. Haddin: NSW, 31
S. Marsh: WA, 25
S. Tait: SA, 25
D. Warner: NSW, 22
R. Harris: QLD, 29
C. White: VIC, 25
N. Hauritz: NSW, 27

Official ODI squad
R. Ponting (c): TAS, 34
M. Clarke (vc): NSW, 27
B. Haddin: NSW, 31
J. Hopes: QLD, 30
N. Bracken: NSW, 31
S. Marsh: WA, 25
M. Hussey: WA, 33
D. Hussey: VIC, 31
N. Hauritz: NSW, 27
B. Hilfenhaus: TAS, 25
C. White: VIC, 25
S. Tait: SA, 25
P. Siddle: VIC, 24

Very good squads and good to see some common sense prevailing and Johnson being rested, though i think Ponting could have done the same, but anyways happy to see both Warner and Harris get a gig in the T20', but i doubt Harris would make it into the XI, also happy to see Hauritz being finally handed over the role of the limited overs spinner too.

Gutted to see Klinger not being picked, would have been a much better option than Marsh, Hayden' axing probably means the curtains might have well and truly fallen over his international career, or is it just that they have dropped him from the limited over teams because he doesn't feature in their future plans of this particular format.

 

[Ace♠♠♠]

I reckon it's a ploy to send him back to Queensland and get his form together o.o

Realatively happy with those squads though.

 

[Prince EWS]

huh?







Since when has he not made the full strength NSW side?

1. Jacques
2. Hughes
3. Katich
4. Clarke
5. Haddin
6. Thornley
7. Lambert
8. Casson/ Smith?
9. Clark
10. Bollinger
11. Bracken

(don't tell me Hauritz is in the full strength NSW side - he wasn't before he got picked against NZ!)

Just quietly, that'd be a helluva test team - if you replaced the Aussie team with that one they'd probably make it to 3rd in the test rankings!

If you're talking about ODI teams - then they'd drop Thornley and Bollinger and bring in Warner and Henriques.

Hauritz would definitely be in the full strength NSW one day team. He might not be in the First Class side but he'd play the one dayers.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

1. Jacques

wat

 

[Ace♠♠♠]

That's simply a typo.

I'm looking forward to seeing Taita back in action in the green and gold

 

[Johnners]

BLah blah blah.

My mistake re: his total runs scored, in context though, it matters little.

It seems you're too pre-occupied with your own little fantasies about Hughes to realise that he quite simply ISN'T close to ODI selection, and neither should he be. He's barely averaging 30 this season, and at NO stage during his brief one day career, has he even past 70. You should also note in you inane ramblings, that Hughes has played the most innings, yet is only the 13th highest run scorer to date. The bloke is a star to be, but he's simply not ready for one day international cricket, and anyone with half a brain would realise it.

Marsh might have had 1 good season to day, but that really doesn't matter. What does matter though, is that he has played 8 matches for Australia, and has done whats asked of him (one could argue more, given he's averaging 47, since you're so hooked on averages). As I've mentioned, and as PEWS said, he's not being picked on form, but he's being retained because of what he has done.

If you don't like the Slater example, look at Michael Clarke. He was dropped from the test side, yet at the same time he was one of Australias top 3/4 ODI batsmen. There plenty of examples of FC form, not meaning OD form, which is why many people often disregard the opposing format when it comes to selection.

I called Howardj a joke, because he's prone to making ridiculous comments without ever backing them up. Marsh mightn't be as good a FC batsmen as Hughes is now, but at this stage he's done more in his OD career than Hughes has, and has actually represented Australia so to say he's "not fit to shine Hughes shoes" is rubbish. But hey, keep putting words in my mouth, and taking things completely out of context if you wish, it only makes you look a fool.

I don't know why I bothered replying, because it's quite obvious you've got little idea of what you're talking about, so this will be my last response on the matter.

 

[howardj]

Thanks for confirming my original thoughts.


You were using what Hughes has done in his career (300 odd runs) compared to what Marsh has done this season, hardly a fair comparison (note, I'm specifically talking about ODs, NOT T20). What Hughes has done this season, 240 runs @ 30, in 9 matches, is most certainly not mind blowing, and is most certainly not a solid case for International selection. As I said, Marsh isn't in the best touch either, but he is the incumbent opener, and there is no other opening options slamming on the ODI selection door so it makes perfect sense to pick him. Especially when he hasn't done anything wrong in his international career to date.

I've no doubt that Hughes is a better player in the longer format of the game than Marsh, but it's almost completely irrelevant when building a case for OD selection. See Michael Slaters career as an example. Slats was a fantastic dasher at the top of the order in test match cricket, but he was basically a failure at the top of the order in ODIs. Simply put, they are 2 different forms of the game and form in one, does NOT mean form in the other, and neither should it be used when trying to build a case for selection.

Also, don't put words in my mouth, at no stage did I say it was "such a joke" to suggest Hughes ahead of Marsh.

Are you the big man on campus.

The keyboard warrior.

 

[aussie]

If Johnson doesn't play in the Twenty20s there's enough time for rest before the ODIs

You can still rest him during the ODI's. Especially when NZ come back.

 

[NUFAN]

Very good squads and good to see some common sense prevailing and Johnson being rested, though i think Ponting could have done the same, but anyways happy to see both Warner and Harris get a gig in the T20', but i doubt Harris would make it into the XI, also happy to see Hauritz being finally handed over the role of the limited overs spinner too.

I can almost guarantee that Ryan Harris will play for Australia at the Gabba on Tuesday.

 

[chaminda_00]

I just remember why I don't post much on tour threads. So many posters with so little iq.

Can't believe I forgot Bollinger in my NSW full strength side. Which ever way you look at it Hughes is not certainty for NSW OD spot at full strength. His the 7th best bat, so if they play an all rounder his out and five they play five specialist bowlers (all internationals) his out.

Casson playing 2nd XI right now and didn't play in the last FC match for NSW, when Hauritz played ahead. Hauritz would make both sides unless they only play four seamers and an extra batsmen/all rounder.