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[Jigga988]

Miller probobly is better than Benn but he is still mediocrity encapsulated. Doesn't really do anything special.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

On the contrary I think he does more than most spinners in the region. He does give the ball some air, and while he doesn't turn it much, he does enough to trouble batsmen. And of course he's very accurate. For a long time I shared your view on Miller, but the way he bowled last season changed my mind. He genuinely attacked the batsmen. He then carried that into the ODIs he played this past year. Not the best spinner in the region, but certainly potentially a very handy international.

 

[_Ed_]

Not the best spinner in the region

Who is?

 

[Beamer]

Who is?

Amit Jaggernauth easily IMHO.

 

[Jigga988]

On the contrary I think he does more than most spinners in the region. He does give the ball some air, and while he doesn't turn it much, he does enough to trouble batsmen. And of course he's very accurate. For a long time I shared your view on Miller, but the way he bowled last season changed my mind. He genuinely attacked the batsmen. He then carried that into the ODIs he played this past year. Not the best spinner in the region, but certainly potentially a very handy international.

Obviously i can't make a comment because i didn't get to see any regional cricket last year, but from what i know about most regional boys and what has been made evident by the likes of Marshall is that Windies players dont know how to play spin. I generally find that we play for turn alot when it isn't there. I suppose Miller is a better candidate for a spot than Benn and probobly Baker but he is not the spinner that his FC average would suggest he is.

The accuracy of the guy is probobly what got him in to the ODI squad and the fact that he doesnt turn it much might be whats keeping him out of the test squad, although i suppose Benn doesn't turn it much either.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Amit Jaggernauth easily IMHO.

Certainly the best wicket-taking spinner in the region. And presumably the selectors would pick a spinner to take wickets, because West Indies could use all the help available.

 

[_Ed_]

Amit Jaggernauth easily IMHO.

Ah, right. Is there a good reason for him not being in this squad?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Obviously i can't make a comment because i didn't get to see any regional cricket last year, but from what i know about most regional boys and what has been made evident by the likes of Marshall is that Windies players dont know how to play spin. I generally find that we play for turn alot when it isn't there. I suppose Miller is a better candidate for a spot than Benn and probobly Baker but he is not the spinner that his FC average would suggest he is.

No West Indian bowler is as good as his FC average suggests, except possibly Jerome Taylor (and Fidel Edwards is better than his). But Miller could probably still average around 30 if he played in England, and that qualifies as a decent fingerspinner. He's a better than average FC offspinner, for sure. And even if you didn't see him play any domestic cricket, surely his performances in ODI cricket showed his ability.

 

[Beamer]

Ah, right. Is there a good reason for him not being in this squad?

He is not Jamaican

Only joking, but he was given one test against Australia where he did ok in the first innings, got carted about a bit by Andrew Symonds (can happen to anyone) and hasn't been seen since.

It's ridiculous. I can only think that the selectors and John Dyson are obsessed with Benn's height even though it seems to offer no advantage as he has a fairly low bowling arm.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Ah, right. Is there a good reason for him not being in this squad?

Because he failed to impress on his Test debut. It was against Australia on a flat wicket and almost all of his bowling was done on day one, but fair game.

 

[WindieWeathers]

I'm glad more Windie fans have joined in the discussions as it seemed no-one was bothered to talk about WI issues when i first posted here , anyway i'm glad the spinner subject has come up as i'm a firm believer that we need a good spinner to complement our strong fast bowling line-up in Bravo, Edwards and Taylor, Miller was quite decent in the odi's against Pakistan i thought, he took at least one wicket in each of the matches so at least he's got something to work with, Benn seems to be too up and down and when he's not hot he's very expensive, people talk about the best spinner in the carribean region being Amit but has anyone heard of the young man called Davendra Bishoo?, he plays for Guyana and is meant to be something special, it's high time the selectors start looking at the good young talent we have instead of turning to the same old duds all the time, and does anyone think the young barbadian all-rounder Chris Jordan (who's doing great things in English county cricket) will play for the Windies anytime soon?.

 

[roseboy64]

Bishoo hasn't played enough to be anywhere near being the best. Have seen a quote from Dyson saying that it's up in the air between Mohammed, Miller, Benn and Jaggernauth for the spinner spot(s).

 

[WindieWeathers]

Bishoo hasn't played enough to be anywhere near being the best. Have seen a quote from Dyson saying that it's up in the air between Mohammed, Miller, Benn and Jaggernauth for the spinner spot(s).

The doesn't mean he hasn't got the potential to be better than all the others does it?, i think it would be good to have him around the squad and training with quality players, then it wouldn't do us any harm to see him get the odd game here and there to see how he does, we haven't had a good spinner in lord knows how long and we just might have one here.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

we need a good spinner to complement our strong fast bowling line-up in Bravo, Edwards and Taylor

Sarcasm, I hope.

it's high time the selectors start looking at the good young talent we have instead of turning to the same old duds all the time

What old duds have they been turning to in the spin department? Miller is 26 and Jaggernauth is 25. Neither have played significant international cricket.

does anyone think the young barbadian all-rounder Chris Jordan (who's doing great things in English county cricket) will play for the Windies anytime soon?.

"great" = "strong", as used above?

Besides, Chris Jordan seems entrenched in the English system for the moment.

The doesn't mean he hasn't got the potential to be better than all the others does it?, i think it would be good to have him around the squad and training with quality players, then it wouldn't do us any harm to see him get the odd game here and there to see how he does, we haven't had a good spinner in lord knows how long and we just might have one here.

It would actually be better for him to play first-class cricket than to hang around a team that he has no right playing in, as yet.

 

[Jigga988]

does anyone think the young barbadian all-rounder Chris Jordan (who's doing great things in English county cricket) will play for the Windies anytime soon?.

Interesting that you say that, he is doing things on the county circuit, however, i am not sure playing for the Windies is in his mind ATM. Robbie Joseph is a nother man making noise in the english county circuit, hardly young but seemed to be finding some really good form towards the end of the county season, he could out-do powell i am sure in every form of the game. Towards the end of the season he looked like he had the ball on the string, he was swinging and seeming the ball when no one else he could, I don't think he is there on kolpack because he has been playing county cricket for a while now, however i imangine he is not in the selectors minds right now.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Interesting that you say that, he is doing things on the county circuit, however, i am not sure playing for the Windies is in his mind ATM.

He just got sent to an ECB fast bowling programme, so there's English investment in him.
However, he has in the past expressed a willingness to play for West Indies.

however i imangine he is not in the selectors minds right now.

He won't be able to play for West Indies even if he were, because he would have to play in the WIndies domestic tournament first and there looks little sign of that happening anytime soon. Particularly as he was selected to the England Performance Squad.

 

[Jigga988]

He won't be able to play for West Indies even if he were, because he would have to play in the WIndies domestic tournament first and there looks little sign of that happening anytime soon. Particularly as he was selected to the England Performance Squad.

Are you talking about Joseph or Jordan?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Are you talking about Joseph or Jordan?

Jordan on top. Joseph on the bottom.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Sarcasm, I hope.

Nope not at all, on their day they are as dangerous as any fast bowling line-up imo, i would have added Powell to the mix but for his shocking form lately,

What old duds have they been turning to in the spin department? Miller is 26 and Jaggernauth is 25. Neither have played significant international cricket

I wasn't talking about "old" in age but old in terms of them being around for a while and not really establishing themselves in the side, I think out of all of them Miller has the best chance as he was decent in the odi's against Pakistan

"great" = "strong", as used above?

Besides, Chris Jordan seems entrenched in the English system for the moment.

Yep he's doing big things right now, even won a 'young player of the year' award for his efforts, the reason i asked about him is because there was rumours in the English press that there was gonna be a fight for him between England and WI, he's said his heart belongs to WI and he clearly has big potential so it's high time the WI selectors do all they can to grab him before England do, even if it meant bending a few of the rules to make it easier for him to play for us.

It would actually be better for him to play first-class cricket than to hang around a team that he has no right playing in, as yet.

His potential is said to be very big, i don't see any harm including him into a few odi's to see how he goes, i reallly don't think he'd do any worse than Benn, at 22 Bishoo is at the age where he needs to be around the top boys i.e Gayle, Chanders, Edwards etc to gain some experience imo.

 

[Jigga988]

Yep he's doing big things right now, even won a 'young player of the year' award for his efforts, the reason i asked about him is because there was rumours in the English press that there was gonna be a fight for him between England and WI, he's said his heart belongs to WI and he clearly has big potential so it's high time the WI selectors do all they can to grab him before England do, even if it meant bending a few of the rules to make it easier for him to play for us.

I dont think he is quite good enough to get in to the Windies squad, the only way i see him getting in there is in place of Powell and he'll bat at 8 which i suppose will bolster our tail, but still i would probobly rate Bravo's bowling over Jordan's and definitely Bravo batting over Jordan's. I think Jordan could develop in to an international player, but i still think improvement is required and the only way he is going to improve is if he stays in county cricket, as he has no eyes for regional cricket right now. Whether this will pull him towards the England squad is debatable.