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[NZTailender]

That is because most teams played him in defensive style, esp England, SA and NZ. Indian batsmen always looked to score of him. He might not be expensive as MacGill though.

i can't agree, sorry there's been many leggies who have bowled many overs in all sorts of conditions, warne is not the only one who has done it

See this:

So far away from the point it's not funny. Point is, leggies were traditionally used in attacking roles to take a quick wicket when it was needed and that was usually in trying to encourage shots. If they were brought on and started going for runs, were generally taken off. Leggies generally only got lots of overs when conditions were well in their favour and anyone who actually saw those two and others bowl will tell you the same. Warne was one of the few leggies who you would bowl in any conditions, any time of day, etc. and he'd take consistent wickets.

Aside from the difference in their respective records (which you can't just explain away with 'Qadir played more less against England'), was always commented on whenever Warnie bowled. Before him, it was unusual to see a leggie on in any role before lunch on day 1.

 

[Precambrian]

So far away from the point it's not funny. Point is, leggies were traditionally used in attacking roles to take a quick wicket when it was needed and that was usually in trying to encourage shots. If they were brought on and started going for runs, were generally taken off. Leggies generally only got lots of overs when conditions were well in their favour and anyone who actually saw those two and others bowl will tell you the same. Warne was one of the few leggies who you would bowl in any conditions, any time of day, etc. and he'd take consistent wickets.

Aside from the difference in their respective records (which you can't just explain away with 'Qadir played more less against England'), was always commented on whenever Warnie bowled. Before him, it was unusual to see a leggie on in any role before lunch on day 1.

Warnie any time anywhere? With all my regards to him (I regard him as the best leggie since 1950), he wasn't half good in India.

 

[Precambrian]

Key point; Warne was picked regardless of the conditions.

Seriously, did you see the other two bowl live? I saw Qadir and have seen video of Chandra but I'd be surprised if anyone who saw Chandra bowl live would dispute what i said.

Agreed Warne > Chandra. But Chandra and Warne operated on the same lines, aggressive attacking lines.

 

[NZTailender]

*facepalm*

 

[Top_Cat]

Warnie any time anywhere? With all my regards to him (I regard him as the best leggie since 1950), he wasn't half good in India.

Oh for goodness, sake you know what I mean. Although I should expect such pedantry from someone who claims Precambrian as their nick. If you're not a rock jockey, you bloody should be; fit right in with all the other geo nerds I know.

 

[Craig]

Warnie any time anywhere? With all my regards to him (I regard him as the best leggie since 1950), he wasn't half good in India.

TBF how did other spinners fare in India and that Indian batsmen play spin pretty well? Or that he was simply out played, like guys like Tendulkar and VVS Laxman have done?

 

[Top_Cat]

Agreed Warne > Chandra. But Chandra and Warne operated on the same lines, aggressive attacking lines.

One more time, with feeling; I'm talking about when the captain used them, not what they did when they got the ball.

 

[Top_Cat]

TBF how did other spinners fare in India and that Indian batsmen play spin pretty well? Or that he was simply out played, like guys like Tendulkar and VVS Laxman have done?

I can't think of one visiting spinner of any sort to average less than 30 in India for years with most averaging 35+.

 

[Craig]

Stumps on Day 3 and New Zealand 0/35, yes please.

 

[Precambrian]

Oh for goodness, sake you know what I mean. Although I should expect such pedantry from someone who claims Precambrian as their nick. If you're not a rock jockey, you bloody should be; fit right in with all the other geo nerds I know.

I was just countering your argument that Warne could be called upon anywhere and would be consistent in wicket taking.

 

[Precambrian]

One more time, with feeling; I'm talking about when the captain used them, not what they did when they got the ball.

Oh yes. It also helped Warne that he never had to bowl with another 2 spinners fairly over his career and thereby got more chance at the batsmen.

EDIT - No point arguing where I dont see a serious debate. Both of us agree on the basic things and lets not go OT. So my final take on this ends thus.

 

[Rant0r]

surprisingly did well against pakistan, but didnt play much IN pakistan... normally neutral venue, did ok in sri lanka

 

[Top_Cat]

I was just countering your argument that Warne could be called upon anywhere and would be consistent in wicket taking.

Aside from India, where was he not used as a consistent wicket-taking option?

 

[Rant0r]

Oh yes. It also helped Warne that he never had to bowl with another 2 spinners fairly over his career and thereby got more chance at the batsmen.

when macgill and he played together macgill had the better record, bizaare, even thought they were both legspinners, i consider them totally different, macgill was a more traditional leggie

 

[Precambrian]

Stumps on Day 3 and New Zealand 0/35, yes please.

Best thing NZ could hope for. Hopefully both of them look aggressive tomorrow also. No way such a huge deficit can be played by being defensive. There is half a chance of NZ drawing this test match if they play attacking cricket.

 

[GotSpin]

I never rated Macgill as a bowler.

 

[Rant0r]

for you redmond haters, he may well be on his way again in this innings, and his test career..

now that i've said that he'll go first thing tomorrow

hauritz gets an unbelievable amount of drift out, i wish he would throw it up more though

 

[Rant0r]

I never rated Macgill as a bowler.

hard to argue with results

 

[Craig]

I can't think of one visiting spinner of any sort to average less than 30 in India for years with most averaging 35+.

Murali averages just under 40 there. Saqlain Mushtaq averaged 20 there, but mind you, it must be noted that he only played three Tests there.

 

[Athlai]

hard to argue with results

against bangers and when it was turning tbf