**Official** New Zealand in Australia

[Rant0r]

On fire tonight.

so bowled between bat and pad isn't as good as ryder slapping a long hop to mid wicket ?

sometimes i think you're online from the sheltered workshop pal

 

[NZTailender]

What the hell? 242 up and there's a ring field already? And what on Earth is that short mid doing there, spectating?!

If a ball goes to the boundary, that's precious seconds lost retrieving the ball, over rates slow down and Ponting gets fined. So selfish

 

[NZTailender]

so bowled between bat and pad isn't as good as ryder slapping a long hop to mid wicket ?

sometimes i think you're online from the sheltered workshop pal

Haha, it gets better

 

[Craig]

Lovely ball by Clark.

 

[Precambrian]

I didn't say 'caught on the fence'. And you'll notice Qadir averaged in the 30's and Chandra almost 30; leg-spinners averaging in the low 20's and being consistent wicket-takers was unusual before Warne came along which is not a knock against them. On their day they were obviously world-beaters but fact remains, leggies have always gone for plenty of runs. Consequence of the style, I reckon.

Difference is that unlike Warne, they had lesser matches against England. and had no minnows. Not anyway debasing Warne's record here, but there have been decent leggies before his time.

 

[NZTailender]

Difference is that unlike Warne, they had lesser matches against England. and had no minnows. Not anyway debasing Warne's record here, but there have been decent leggies before his time.

This isn't about whether or not there were decent leg-spinners, it's how they they bowled.

There were indeed some good leggies before Warne's time, but they bowled in rather different ways.

 

[Craig]

What a shot by How.

 

[Rant0r]

warne didn't play the minnows much

unless you count his new zealand bashing, some of those blokes are probably still losing sleep.

 

[NZTailender]

Good to see us practicing for the ODI series :/

 

[Precambrian]

This isn't about whether or not there were decent leg-spinners, it's how they they bowled.

There were indeed some good leggies before Warne's time, but they bowled in rather different ways.

Like? Chandra might have been different (more like Kumble) but he was deadly on pitches that suited him, and was always attacking. Qadir was the quintessential leggie. How they were different from Warne in approach?

 

[NZTailender]

Like? Chandra might have been different (more like Kumble) but he was deadly on pitches that suited him, and was always attacking. Qadir was the quintessential leggie. How they were different from Warne in approach?

Generally in how they were actually hit. Before Warne legspinners could attack and take wickets, but they could also just as easily get hit for a four every over. Warne didn't.

Edit: And that's also generally how selectors and captains saw them.

 

[Precambrian]

Bring in Johnners.

 

[Rant0r]

because they weren't blonde and australian maybe

i'll give you the tip, qadir was a champion legspinner, i didn't get to see chandra, but i've heard he was at times unplayable

 

[Craig]

Clapo's lover Mitchell Johnson is on

 

[Top_Cat]

Difference is that unlike Warne, they had lesser matches against England. and had no minnows. Not anyway debasing Warne's record here, but there have been decent leggies before his time.

So far away from the point it's not funny. Point is, leggies were traditionally used in attacking roles to take a quick wicket when it was needed and that was usually in trying to encourage shots. If they were brought on and started going for runs, were generally taken off. Leggies generally only got lots of overs when conditions were well in their favour and anyone who actually saw those two and others bowl will tell you the same. Warne was one of the few leggies who you would bowl in any conditions, any time of day, etc. and he'd take consistent wickets.

Aside from the difference in their respective records (which you can't just explain away with 'Qadir played more less against England'), was always commented on whenever Warnie bowled. Before him, it was unusual to see a leggie on in any role before lunch on day 1.

 

[Precambrian]

Generally in how they were actually hit. Before Warne legspinners could attack and take wickets, but they could also just as easily get hit for a four every over. Warne didn't.

Edit: And that's also generally how selectors and captains saw them.

That is because most teams played him in defensive style, esp England, SA and NZ. Indian batsmen always looked to score of him. He might not be expensive as MacGill though.

 

[Rant0r]

i can't agree, sorry there's been many leggies who have bowled many overs in all sorts of conditions, warne is not the only one who has done it

 

[Craig]

Hauritz on

 

[Top_Cat]

Like? Chandra might have been different (more like Kumble) but he was deadly on pitches that suited him, and was always attacking. Qadir was the quintessential leggie. How they were different from Warne in approach?

Key point; Warne was picked regardless of the conditions.

Seriously, did you see the other two bowl live? I saw Qadir and have seen video of Chandra but I'd be surprised if anyone who saw Chandra bowl live would dispute what i said.

 

[Rant0r]

that spun, good lord