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***Official England in India***
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Neil Pickup
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India to win the ODIs 8-0.
fredfertang
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35 wickets in 12 games at 33 last season for Saj - I think we've thrown the towel in
Richard
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Is it? I care greatly about England having a good ODI team (not about them winning games outside WCs, but about them getting a good team so that they do win games in WCs) yet I'm not remotely embarrassed by this. The worse the scoreline with such mediocre players, the better the chances of them being never seen again.
Langeveldt
Soutie
To be replaced by another bunch of mediocre players..
The only embaressed people here should be the SA fans.. How on earth did we lose to this bunch?
FBU
International Debutant
Richard
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It is though. As I say, Sehwag as an opener averaged less than 30 (and let's not even talk about his average as a middle-order batsman, I'm being generous and only including the innings' in the position he's any use at) between January 2003 and May 2008. This is the facts of the matter. Yuvraj since March 2002 averages 38.5, and since November 2005 averages 48.
Sehwag can only dream of such lengthy spells of scoring. An overall average is irrelevant. The reason these are relatively similar is because, as I say, Sehwag when he has scored (which has been damn rare) has scored phenomenally. However, Sehwag has occasionally been brilliant and mostly been poor. I think he's been poor for something like 4\5ths of his career or so. Yuvraj Singh, on the other hand, has been excellent becoming brilliant for pretty well all his career (and I think we can forgive him his first 25 games, given he was only 18 when he debuted, which is far too young).
An overall average is a poor indicator of a batsman's ability, because it allows short peaks to disguise long troughs. In Yuvraj's case, such peaks and troughs don't really exist. In Sehwag's case, they spectacularly do, and judging both via the same method will lead to misjudgement of the true calibre of their play.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Nah, to be hopefully replaced by some of the few good OD players in this country.
Because your batsmen performed woefully and your bowling-attack is even worse than ours.
I've said it before - I'm very worried for SA's ODI bowling-attack at the moment.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Like?
James Anderson and Stephen Harmison?
Just no.
England's current team contains one hell of a lot of mediocre to outright poor players. And the reserves selected in this squad (the Luke Wrights etc.) are even worse.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
The victory in the CB Series was a fluke. If you take the head-to-head Aus-vs-Eng games in that tournament, Aus come out on top easily. England didn't actually beat Australia in Australia, they just won the games where the trophy happened to be at stake.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
I simply don't believe this.
I've always said selectors are usually a brainless bunch, but rarely do I actually think selections are sackable offences. However, the continued selection of Sajid Mahmood for England really is. Those responsible must be held accountable, IMO.
And as I say, I pretty much never say that. But this is the extreme end of the extreme.
How can anyone think such a terrible bowler has anything going for him?
FBU
International Debutant
Probably chosen by Giles who is out there with the EPP squad, who knew that Fletcher loved Mahmood.
Turbinator
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Lillian Thomson
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He's just an England qualified cricketer who's already in India. (Whether he should be there in the first place is open to debate.)
gettingbetter
State Vice-Captain
Thought this would be a stat you would hide.
gettingbetter
State Vice-Captain
Haha. I'm somewhat of a fan of Saj, so I'm hoping he can have a few good games and entrench himself in the team. I know what about every other poster on here is going to say about that.
In saying that though, you guys must admit that the bloke has been unlucky not to play an ODI after the WC, where he was England's best bowler.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Why? As I've said, I don't shy from giving credit where it's due, and this is far beyond anything Shah had ever achieved before.
I don't expect it to last, any more than any shorter spell of good form of his has done, but that's how things are. Right now, for the first time in his career, Shah actually merits a place in the England ODI side.